Homosexuality - Nature or Nurture?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cellar_Door, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    Where do you live Baron? I live in Manhattan, for years I lived in the East Village. There is a Hell of a Gay Pride Parade, but I have never heard aof any of the other things you mention.

    Unless you live in the gayest part of San Francisco (and even then...), I can't imagine it's as "in your face" as you seem to be suggesting. And by the way, you can see images that strongly suggest of heterosexual sex far more often. Those images make billboards, prime time network TV, they hint at it in beer and shampoo commercials and Axe body spray commercials. How long ago was Brylcreem telling men "the gals will all pursue ya" and stating:

    What I suspect is that you are very sensitive to the displays of homosexual conduct you see. Selective memory bias then makes it seem like it's "everywhere", while blinding you to the actual pervasiveness of heterosexual imagery and allusion. Within a given community, homosexuals may have a parade a year, a few "holidays" that no one observes (if they have even heard of them) and every few years the networks put on a show with prominent gay themes, plus every community has a few bars dedicated to gay clientele (though except for gay people, most don't know those establishments well). That's hardly "everywhere." Compare that to heterosexual pervasiveness and there's no contest.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Max:

    You don't speak for "society". As I said earlier, the fact that you personally find homosexuality disgusting is not a good basis for lawmaking. Who knows what screwed you up in your childhood to make you a bigot? If I had to guess, I'd say that, like most homophobes, you most likely have some homosexual tendencies yourself and you're in denial. But it's neither here nor there.

    Not so long ago it did. Some places still do.

    You don't have to attend those gay parades, Max. If it worries you what you're missing out on, just ignore them and resist your impulse to attend.
     
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  5. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    For the same reasons that anyone else would, Mike.

    As beneficial as this would be to my chances of getting dick, this is not something that actually happens. Having two moms is not going to turn a guy gay. It just doesn't work that way.

    I don't see anything weird about it. It is non-standard, yes. "Weird," I am not so sure about.
     
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  7. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    just like the differences between of selfish fun and procreation

    a masked man thinks sex is for fun when ALL OF NATURE provides the evidence it is for procreation

    the comparing of the cleft palate data with the 'born gay' data was to share that in 'reality' more are born with a cleft palate than gay

    so which would be more normal if there are more cleft birth than gays; should all people cut their lip to make you feel accepted?

    what is there to calculate; does basic common sense elude you?

    that would be a neat trick.

    or are you an ass baby and i missed the article in the national enquirer?
    so is murder

    just as your idea is not that it is natural but ooooosually rape (within the animal kingdom)

    the rest of your post is just the same old shit that a poster here named Oli used to do;

    rant like a fool when cornered; as not a line you posted has any merit except your are a selfish person who will defend your bigot position not matter what is provided to you

    as it is your choice to be a pig-headed bigot and/or gay (both are unnatural and of selfish intent)
     
  8. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    this is the wrong way to look at it.


    the majority are not gay

    the majority are who set the tone of laws and what is accepted and what is not

    the few who want their own needs desires and intents over the majority

    are the bigots!

    and the people who try and put the homophobia crap on the block because they have no other response; are the ones at fault (the bigots)


    people need to be a little more honest rather than politically correct


    otherwise, these types of issues will ALWAYS be maintained as a divide and i promise you and all who read this; you do not want to divide from the truth of reality for selfish needs desires and intent; the bigotted pigs will lose!
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    The voters in California spoke quite clearly, didn't they. And you'll notice that the states in the US that permit gay marriage are ones that instituted the laws WITHOUT voter approval.

    As to the rest of you post, it seems it was just you making personal accusations about me, and making snide remarks about my character, and imply that I'm a closet gay. ....which, of course, must be permitted on sciforums since you're moderator.

    And now, with the above post, you're going to accuse me of "trolling", then ban me forever?

    Baron Max
     
  10. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Baron Max, wearing his heart on his sleeve despite the presence of three day old fish chowder and an unsightly underarm stain from last week's 'Twerps in Vegas' conference.
     
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    now you just hit is on the head; the legal game and use of media is what keeps this issue 'in our face'

    there are more people in gaza that need the publics assistance and observance, than for cross dressers to be able to go into a womens bathroom where children often go.

    meaning; that man, needs to get his head screwed on more so than explaining to every child in the world, that the sign 'man or women' on the bathroom means nothing because it is normal to have men in dresses standing in the womens stall pissing"

    In arizona some guy got pissed that a cross dresser went into the bathroom with his wife and kid; the bar was sued and now it is a gay bar

    who is still wondering who the bigots are?

    i say it is the selfish who put themselves and their own needs in front of others; because they can, not because it is right.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So EVERYONE should have sex ONLY for procreation?

    So what?
    And where are the statistics on that? Or should we just take your word for it?

    Strawman and stupid assumption on your part.
    What should we do about left handed people?
    Who has suggested anywhere that everyone should be gay?


    Apparently you have no acquaintance with common sense.
    I've already told you how I could be here if both of my parents were gay: and it's incalculable.

    No it just shows how ignorant you really are.
    I personally know gay people who have had children.

    It's interesting how you defend the majority view on this particular issue and completely go against it with your ridiculous "ideas" on science.
    Hypocrisy much?
    Deluded much?
     
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  13. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    Is this Oli in a mask?

    Is it a requirement for pleasure or survival?

    perhaps if you comprehended what 'it' was for, then you would perhaps comprehend what normal is

    ah, the rant.

    Go back to the beginning of the thread and read; then perhaps context can be comprehended.

    nope, the strawbrain response is all yours.

    Read the argument; you suggesting a minority of self creating bigots can redefine reality with what they consider 'normal' and then are comparing sexuality with someone's choice of hand usage

    that's kind of weird, dude

    yes i do. I asked you if both of your parents were gay, what is the likelihood that you would be here. Common sense states real easy; you most likely would not be here unless as a UNIQUE sitchiation. (its a technical term)
    now that is strawbrain if i ever saw it. Of course you 'could have' but reality is, not likely by any measure of ratio you want. Perhaps adopted, perhaps from a previous marriage but get real fool, be honest not from the couple as your parents. You know like the NORM of mother natures house kids too.

    i have no issue with gay folk, i have an issue with idiots trying to define normal, arguing with zero quality except politically motivated opinions and what other people use in defense (like ah.... darrrrr, that's a strawman dahhhh)

    because that is what i do

    reality applied in science is what defines all issues, not opinions

    if you don't know how to define life, then you don't have a clue what the hell you wake up for in the morning.

    this gay issue is moot because life is not understood as the premise of moral choice. Religions, nor beliefs, nor legal systems and definitely not the selfish define the true course of the last word.

    Marriage laws can be abolished on both sides if you like but no one is to be teaching the little people that same sex is normal. Cuz it ain't.

    I opened up my question at the claim that 10% of the population is born gay, and that is about as much BS as any could ever even represent.

    As for the science issues; how about posting something you can represent rather than rant what other claim.

    are you even capable of thinking for yourself?
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Answer the question: should people have sex ONLY for procreation?
    Should EVERYONE have children?
    How often?

    Without actual numbers you're just spouting nonsense, context or not.

    Take your own advice and read what I wrote.

    Wrong again: as stated gay people can have and have had children.

    IVF?

    Wrong again.
    If it occurs in nature it's normal.
    Or are we going to breed out left handers as well?

    Stupid assumption on your part.

    I've noticed that's what you do.
    Talk unsubstantiated crap.

    Yet you consistently put YOUR opinion above science.

    About as much as you do.

    I haven't mentioned morals.

    So what?

    Nah, I'm taking my lead from you: pure opinion (but fewer spelling and grammatical errors).

    Certainly: that's why I disagree so vehemently with airheads like you.
     
  15. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    these are true strawman games

    not one of them questions has to do with the issue

    you are ranting!
    then can people eat other people too?

    cleft palates happen in nature and more often than hemorphadites.

    chosing a partner is a choice thing, not a nature issue

    nature just shares that copulation when observed naturally is 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%

    for procreation of the species, that is having sex

    people are different than the critters but they give us and show us, that following the rules is better for 'life'
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong again.
    You yourself stated:
    So answer the question:
    If sex is for procreation should everyone have sex ONLY for procreation?
    And should everyone have children.
    If the answer to either question is "no" then your "point" is invalid.

    That's a different topic altogether.

    That, as previously pointed out, is neither here nor there.
    Unless you want to discuss left-handedness as well.

    Nonsense.
    Ask someone why they chose their particular partner: what you'll get is rationalisation.

    Wrong again: I believe in a previous argument where you displayed your bigotry it was pointed out that, for example, in giraffes sex (and homosexual sex at that) for pleasure outnumbers sex for procreation.
    In other words you're making up your own "observations" and numbers.
    How very "scientific" of you.
    I must admire your utter integrity and dedication to the facts, personally, even in the name of science I wouldn't go as far as inventing statistics and observations.
    Maybe I'm not dedicated enough to the truth to fabricate it simply to support my prejudices.
    But that's just me...

    So everyone should should always follow the "rules" and do nothing outside them?
    So sex for procreation only, and for everyone?
    That's "better for life", no?
     
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  17. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    here is a starter for 10 for you to find out what is more normal than homosexuality.

    a popular life style choice
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Bishadi:

    So, let's see. Following your line of argument, when the majority were in favour of slavery, or racial segregation, or denying women the vote, you're saying it was actually the slaves, the black people and the women who were the real bigots? Am I understanding you correctly?

    Nonsense. Animals have sex because it is enjoyable. They don't even connect sex with procreation.
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    Your whole argument is strawman.

    Before you accuse anyone of ranting, lets have a look at your own post, shall we? For example:

    You were saying? Ranting?

    Hmmm..

    Anywho, carrying on..

    Bit of both really.

    People have sex for a variety of reasons. Procreation is just one of them. Everyone I know enjoys having sex. They find it a pleasurable and fun activity and partake in it whenever they get the chance. So you are saying those people are somehow acting outside the norm? I mean, I can understand if it isn't that way for you, but in the real world with real people, it actually is that way.

    Oh my.

    Sweetheart, it is a requirement for both. And one does not even need to have sex to procreate now days. Really, keep up with the times!

    Not unique at all. There are a hell of a lot of gay parents out there in the real world. So it is quite conceivable that there are members here who have parents who are gay.

    That
    is common sense.

    :bugeye:

    "Fool", gay people can and do have children. IVF and surrogacy is but one means to that end.

    And what exactly is the norm for a mother's nature? Please, enlighten me.

    "Ah dahhh" it is normal because it is natural.

    No political motivation required. It is normal and natural and occurs all the time in nature (amongst just about all animal species, including humans).

    So when animals partake in homosexual sex, they are not being "normal"?

    Hang on, didn't you say you "have an issue with idiots trying to define normal"? And yet, here you are attempting to dictate what is normal... Hmmm..
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    nature or nurture, biology or enviroment who cares one way or the other?

    Its most likly a mix of both (as are most things) but as long as it doesnt cause distress (and the only reason it would is because of the bigotry of others) then what does it really matter?

    I have spent all day reading through theories of why mental illness exists (i dont in the slightest mean to implie that homosexuality is a mental illness) and how it relates to mental health and no one has yet come up with any sort of definitive theory to explaine it. The best aproximation is that it has something to do with biology, psycology (cognition paticually) and enviroment\cuture. If you cant definitivly pin down issues like depression and sizophrenia which have huge levels of funding poured into there study why would anyone think they can untangle the mix which causes sexual preference.

    It might be nice to know why i prefer head as a form of sex and why i prefer red headed female partners (and nice tanky male ones) but i wont lose sleep over it the way i do for why i suffer recurant bouts of depression
     
  21. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    James R,

    is that how you dwell?

    So which is more civilized, a group of people that can survive off the land; or the people who hand the natives blankets with sickness to kill them?
    (invasion of north american continent)

    becaue to you, they thinking about it.

    same sex is not normal and is a choice of personal desires; them facts!



    the measure of the bigot is the imposition of the self-serving; where needs and disires are being put in front of the people, truth and reality

    the idea of someone of consciousness being born gay, is a lie

    and when people suggest animals are thinking about enjoyment, then any can see just how far ignorance will drag people down.
     
  22. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    can you explain that me please james,
     
  23. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    explain the sexuality of a hermaphrodite
    and
    tell me which is the correct sexual orientation for them

    i bet you cant face your self and ignore the question.
    lets see who is truly in touch with their soul shall we ?
     

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