History of the Holocaust

Don't be dense. Revenge requires effort. I'm unwilling to expend energy for so little fruit. This is simple syllogism so you'll understand what I mean just fine.

A + B = C​

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string, drop the hammer.

 

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On who?

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/chuckle

that's even sweeter

make it a matter of principles
just say your piece and have it recorded in the annals of history

 

alright gentlemen, the thread is about the holocaust.

 

There is nothing wrong with asking any question. I often ask if Mohammad or Jesus or Buddha existed and get varying degrees of shock to yeah, maybe not.

I would like to know more about the history of Jewish persecutions in general. Do they really have historical bases? I read that Egyptians went on a rampage and murdered a lot of Jews living in Alexandria. More than once. Why? Is this true? If not who made it up and why? If it is true why don't Jews integrate well? What are they doing that results in people getting pissed off enough to murder them?

Is there a difference when the Chinese murdered off millions of Aristocratic Chinese? How about when the Romans murdered off Germans living in Italy. Etc... There is nothing wrong with asking the questions.


I always hear people say: Germans killed 6 million Jews. Why don't people say German Christians killed 6 million Germans who were Jewish? Isn't this much more informative? Maybe, Maybe not?

Some people say, when you add in disease, Europeans killed off close to 100 million Native Americans others say no way. Can't we ask? Or is this too Holocaustic? Too close to the bone?

 

Good point, Leo. Thank you.

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This is a good example, probably, of a well thought-out discussion.

Let me ask this, though: would it matter, particularly, it if were 5.5 million? 6.5 million? Should we feel any better or worse if it were 3 million? Is it a worse crime?

I think the issue of punishing such discussion about the Holocaust falls more on intents than numbers: or, why? Why is it up for discussion? Does it really interest some people academically? Those whose fields are neither history nor Holocaust studies? Or is there any other reason that it might come up? The why is more important; this is what the history of the Holocaust, really, is all about. Those who prig about the numbers may not have absorbed this lesson.

 

apparently hitler thought it was the fault of the jews for the state europe was in.

 

May I suggest that your interest should be satisfied by at least some of the sources presented here?

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As who say? My only acquaintance with what they say is restricted to a museum visit and the odd Hollywood movie or the odd book of fiction [eg The Reader]

I probably know more about the Aboriginals and the Palestinians than I do about the Holocaust. And what I do know about the Holocaust, I have learned primarily in the context of the Palestinian refugee crisis [Warsaw Ghetto, child insurgents, human shields, tunnels to smuggle food and weapons, collaborators and militants like Irgun and Haganah]

Do I doubt it happened as they say it did? Only as much as I would the Palestinians in a similar situation. I'm sure that there are inconsistencies here and there, but overall can anyone pretend that nothing happened or that it wasn't really really bad? Not really, unless you're a kind of superficial disinterested person who knows little about the what was happening but expresses an opinion anyway.

Denying the Holocaust is equivalent to an argument from ignorance.

 

Jawol Herr Oberst

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As a Jew, do you know what the most offensive part about the crusades, inquisition, and Holocaust are?

The fact that we have never once recieved an apology from any significant power for any of them....

 

Thats what the Nuremberg trials, the Palestinian lands and the monetary compensations are, which is more than any other of the 60 million victims of WWII have received.

http://forms.claimscon.org/comp_guide/comp_guide.php

 

Please, they were shipping Jews to ISrael far before that.

And it still doesnt excuse basically EVERYTHING. Crusades, inquisition, etc...

 

I think it was just a big misunderstanding.

"Eva, you are going shopping yes? I want carrots, and fish. No more juice!"

"No more Jews? Jawohl mein fuhrer"


You know what accents are like. :shrug:

 

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"Guh. Silly Euros, innit? All a pack of swots, you ask me."

 

It's much less informative, given how it's factually incorrect. The vast majority of those 6 million were not Germans but Poles, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Romanians, Dutch, Belorussians, etc. Less than 5% of them were Germans/Austrians; those countries only hosted a couple hundred thousand Jews prior to the war.

The simplest, most informative thing to say would be: the Nazis killed 6 million European Jews.