# Hilary. No Chance.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Captain Kremmen, Jan 29, 2008.

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Even me?

3. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Is Obama saying to Hilary that she can stick her 18 million votes where the sun don't shine?

Throw the poor woman some kind of bone, or you are in trouble Obama.

5. ### spidergoatVenued Serial MembershipValued Senior Member

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Like what? Secretary of Education?

7. ### iceauraValued Senior Member

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He's done quite a bit of that - there is a lunatic fringe that cannot be soothed.

One of the problems Obama faces is that he wants to campaign hard and govern well, in a very difficult situation, and Hillary does not seem to be all that capable in those areas.

As far as the 18 million votes - if those people are going to switch from Clinton to McCain unless Obama goes way out of his way to stroke them, this election is over and McCain is our new President. You can't fix stupid.

8. ### pjdude1219screw watergate i want to know about zaragateValued Senior Member

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the pissing part

9. ### pjdude1219screw watergate i want to know about zaragateValued Senior Member

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he has made every possible reasonable overture toward hillary and her supporters. Why should he bend over backwards for them just because their whiney that hillary as a female was able to clinch the nomination. Something she should have easily done.

10. ### VkothiiBannedBanned

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This election should be a good indication of just how sane and rational Americans are, in general.
(I mean in a general election, of course).

Imagine if John the Forgetful gets in because Hillary's supporters felt disempowered, or whatever the feminist angst thing is these days? Imagine if Obama gets the seat, but finds himself trying to run a seriously polarised country, with his every move, every word analysed frantically?
America running on public opinion? Nah, it'll never happen.

11. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Good points
Yes, there is a note of obsession. There is something about the whole Hilary thing that reminds you of one of those fringe revivalist meeetings where they handle snakes.

Not sure what you mean

No, but you can fox stupid.
If Obama is too straight not to get these people on board with a bit of good old
(dis)honest manipulation, then yes, it's over.

12. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Any viewpoints on Mrs Obama's speech?
I thought she performed unexpectedly well.

13. ### XeliosWe're setting you adrift idiotRegistered Senior Member

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Anyone catch John Oliver's segment on The Daily Show yesterday? Samantha Bee's bit, lol!

14. ### tim840Registered Senior Member

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I certainly would prefer a Hillary presidency over an Obama administration. She's more conservative, got more experience, she's not full of empty promises like Obama. I actually wouldnt mind her in the White House. Of course, she's still a Democrat...

15. ### GanymedeValued Senior Member

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Name one thing Hillary accomplished as Senator of New York.

***CRICKETS***

16. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Obama's Speech.
Wrongfooted some potential criticism by avoiding a highly oratic speech
on the "Ihave a Dream" anniversary. Good Move.
Obama is a great speaker, but he doesn't have the gravitas to compete with a National icon.

Obama said that McCain had voted the same way as Bush on 90% of occasions.
Can this be true?
If it isn't, it's going to undermine a lot of what he said.

Also, he pledged no reliance on foreign oil within 10 years.
Smacks of JFK's man on the moon and back within 10 years.
Possible?

17. ### Spud Emperorsolanaceous common taterRegistered Senior Member

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Entirely possible.
Real progress is being made in the areas of solar power and wind power and it's accelerating, the next 5 years will show slow change then hang on to your ten gallon hat.

It's not very probable but entirely possible.

18. ### iceauraValued Senior Member

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A more accurate figure would be around 95%, or higher, if only effective or critical votes are counted and missed votes either dropped or credited according to declared stance.

But that is not unusual for Republicans these days - a lot of Party discipline in the ranks, on that side of the aisle.

Possible. Besides, unless I heard wrong, he said something more easily handled - no Middle East oil. Pretty meaningless, actually - all oil is on the world market, in the first place, and Obama is not President in ten years, in the second.

19. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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The prospect of Obama must be being viewed with dread by the money people in the US. One of his proposals is a huge windfall tax on the energy companies, $1000 for every family, and$500 for single households.
A shortfall measure to cope with fuel poverty.

If you would like to look at this policy, look at this site.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy_more#relief

I note that on another thread you have lost money investing in battery technology. I've mentioned this before on SF, and I hope your money loss was not due to listening to me. I am still quite confident that if someone can invent a cheaper and more effective way of storing power, that they will make an immense fortune. Bigger than Bill gates.

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20. ### Spud Emperorsolanaceous common taterRegistered Senior Member

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There's a big push in Aus. for alternative eneregy. The Government is putting its money where its mouth is.

Lots of grants and rebates available.
Spud Empress is on the ground running in this area too.
Big changes happening.

21. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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challanger what do you think about the income cap on the solor rebate?

22. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Glad to hear you may be doing well Spud and Spudess.
Perhaps more money will be going into grass roots.

The UK is totally under the US thumb, politically,
and we are dominated by the EC (European Community) economically

It doesn't really matter who gets in power here.
Personally, I am far more interested in US politics.

Obama would be good for Britain I think.

23. ### Spud Emperorsolanaceous common taterRegistered Senior Member

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He'll be good for the world.
The Americans who traditionally don't vote will get off their couches at just the right moment.

If there's one thing the whole world is ready for it's change and Americans know it as well as anybody ( even if they don't yet recognise the feeling)