Heroin addict question

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Angel Gill, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. Angel Gill Registered Member

    Hello everyone, allow me to introduce myself....
    I am Angel Gill, I go by ANGEL MARIE GILL On Facebothough.

    Anyway, I don't mean to just out of the blue and without warning jump in and ask this.
    However, I have a friend that uses Heroine daily. I'm sincerely worried about her, she says the shit looks different than usual, and is causing her to vomit violently, and have severe headaches in which she said scares her due to the severity of the pain. She says she wants to know what the dope boys are cutting it with, or whatever they're putting in it, she side she don't a trust it and that she's been diligently trying to figure out what's in the heroine and if it's harmful of deadly, or if it's dangerous in any way shape or form.
    Someone, I'm begging you, if anyone is aware of the contents in this heroine that she scores in Louisville Kentucky Btw if that matters. But anyway if anyone has any information about this please contact me, if you don't reach me on here you may call especially if it'sgonna kill my bff or hurt her , please let me know and feel free to call me on my cell.... (redacted)
    I sincerely and greatly appreciate any info that you may help me with. I would just like to relinquish this fear that my bff is basically being poisoned by the shit the retarded dope boys are putting in it. As you all may Bae aware of, they don't give a fuck who they harm, kill, or whatever merely to stretch it just a little more to make a few more meeseley bucks. THEY LOSE NO SLEEP. ANYWAY THANK YOU.
    Angel Winonah Marie Gill

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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    This "friend" clearly needs medical attention.

    It would be irresponsible for people on a forum such as this to give medical advice. In fact I think it is against forum rules to do so.

    Get this person to a doctor.
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    It's heroin. Yes, it's dangerous and deadly - in any way, shape or form.
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    What is a heroin "way"?
  8. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

    Heroin is dangerous in itself - lately, it has been being cut with fentanyl, making it more addictive, more potential, and more likely to cause overdose. Please, get this friend to a clinic asap... Before they accidentally kill themselves.
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  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    As to what they're cutting it with ... that's the big race, right now. It's an atroicty in slow motion:

    The proliferation of rapidly evolving synthetic opioids has become so fierce that the DEA says they now constitute an entire new class of drugs, which are fueling the deadliest addiction crisis the United States has ever seen.

    The fentanyl-like drugs are pouring in primarily from China, U.S. officials say — an assertion Beijing maintains has not been substantiated. Laws cannot keep pace with the speed of scientific innovation. As soon as one substance is banned, chemists synthesize slightly different, and technically legal, molecules and sell that substance online, delivery to U.S. doorsteps guaranteed.

    More Americans now die of drug overdoses than in car crashes. Almost two-thirds of them, more than 33,000 in 2015 alone, took some form of opioid — either heroin, prescription painkillers or, increasingly, synthetic compounds like U-47700 and furanyl fentanyl, manufactured by nimble chemists to stay one step ahead of the law.


    "Right now we're seeing the emergence of a new class — that's fentanyl-type opioids," Dye's boss, Jill Head, explained. "Based on the structure, there can be many, many more substitutions on that molecule that we have not yet seen."

    Entrepreneurial chemists have been creating designer alternatives to cannabis, amphetamine, cocaine and Ecstasy for years. But this new class of synthetics is far more lethal.

    Back in 2012 and 2013, when reports of fentanyl derivatives started coming in to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime in Vienna, chemists chucked them in the "other" category. Today those "other" substances are one of the fastest-growing groups of illicit chemicals tracked by the agency.

    "New opioids keep emerging," said Martin Raithelhuber, an expert in illicit synthetic drugs at the U.N. They deserve their own category, he added, but that will take time.

    Once, forensic chemists like Dye confronted a familiar universe of methamphetamine, cocaine and heroin. Drug dealers, users and DEA agents generally knew what substance they were handling.

    Today, things are different. This is a golden age of chemical discovery — and subterfuge. Dealers may not know that the high-purity heroin from Mexico they're selling has been laced with fentanyl. Users may not realize the robin's-egg-blue oxycodone tablets they're taking are spiked with acetylfentanyl.

    If field agents bust a clandestine drug lab and see a cloud of white powder in the air, they no longer assume it's cocaine. They run.


    All this will make treatment, for those who live through their dance with death, that much harder, as well.



    Kinetz, Erika. "Inside the DEA: A chemist's quest to identify mystery drugs". The Big Story. 21 December 2016. BigStory.AP.org. 24 December 2016. http://apne.ws/2hD8HOA
  10. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

    Yes, and if that weren't bad enough, we make a point of lacing regular opiods with acetaminophen so they too become much more lethal. Get a cold, take some cold pills and some cough medicine so you can go to work and you die from liver failure.

    Maybe we should try prohibition as it has worked so very well thus far.......
  11. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Addiction, a bad example of survival of the fittest with so many candidates for the Darwin Award.

    Sad Humpty and Poe.

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  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Or decriminalize all drugs. Let the open market work(for price and safety).
    Hepatitis anyone? shit turns almost white, piss turns dark, and people smell bad as the kidneys and integumen try to do what the liver should be doing.
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Not sure that would work.

    My model for such a pessimistic view would be the gun laws of America.

    A Wild Wild West with drugs as weapons would see more drug driving deaths, on a weekend, than all drink driving deaths in a full year.

    You might, only might, limit people taking drugs if all, ALL, normal social benefits were removed from such persons.

    Example. Ambulance arrives on the scene of a person lying on the side of the road.

    Assessment made:- Was not hit by (car person), has no external injuries, unknown if has any medical condition but is positive for a range of drugs some of which are only used under very strict supervision and other unknown substances.

    Action taken:- Made comfortable in unconcious position, reversible medications given if on board ambulance and/or available for any of the drugs in system, moved out of danger area, and left with legal disclaimer attached exempting any person causing this persons death by accident free from liability on production of this disclaimer.

    Feel free to make up your own Doomsday scripts.

    Of course do gooders will step in and cry foul the poor little babies were not tolet trained correctly.

    But apart from the above I don't want the person who is going for the Darwin Award to take me with them.

    Humpty Dumpty will rage against the dark especially someone else's Dark

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  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Portugal decriminalized the use of all drugs in 2001. Weed, cocaine, heroin, you name it -- Portugal decided to treat possession and use of small quantities of these drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one.

    And a widely cited study published in 2010 in the British Journal of Criminology found that after decriminalization, Portugal saw a decrease in imprisonment on drug-related charges alongside a surge in visits to health clinics that deal with addiction and disease.

    Not a cure but certainly not a disaster: Many advocates for decriminalizing or legalizing illicit drugs around the world have gloried in Portugal's success. They point to its effectiveness as an unambiguous sign that decriminalization works.

  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Thanks. I was totally unaware of Portugal's law. I read your link and did a bit more digging.

    In July 2001, a new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. The offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than a ten day supply of that substance.
    This was in line with the de facto Portuguese drug policy before the reform. Drug addicts were then to be aggressively targeted with therapy or community service rather than fines or waivers.
    Even if there are no criminal penalties, these changes did not legalize drug use in Portugal. Possession has remained prohibited by Portuguese law, and criminal penalties are still applied to drug growers, dealers and traffickers.

    I make the following observations
    • new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization (still illegal)
    • offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one (move the burden of handling to another department)
    • if the amount possessed was no more than a ten day supply of that substance (cut some slack)
    • This was in line with the de facto Portuguese drug policy before the reform (no real change just making the informal formal)
    • addicts were then to be aggressively targeted with therapy or community service (take care of the little darlings)
    • Empirical data from that report indicate that decriminalization has had no adverse effect on drug usage rates (business as usual)
    • However, drug-related pathologies - such as sexually transmitted diseases and deaths due to drug usage - have decreased dramatically (good)
    • The number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among drug users has decreased to 13.4 cases per million in 2009 but that is still high above the European average of 2.85 cases per million (still a way to go so hope the downwards trend continues)
    • A vast expansion of harm reduction efforts, doubling the investment of public funds (take from Peter (law) give to Paul (health))
    • From 2000 to 2008, the number of people in Portugal receiving substitution treatment increased from 6040 to 25 808 (24 312 in 2007), 75% of whom were in methadone maintenance treatment. The remaining patients received high dosage buprenorphine treatment (now we reach the stage of giving the little darlings the drugs if not exactly the ones of their addiction)
    • The committees have a broad range of sanctions available to them when ruling on the drug use offence. These include:
    • Fines, ranging from €25 to €150. These figures are based on the Portuguese minimum wage of about €485 (Banco de Portugal, 2001) and translate into hours of work lost.
    • Suspension of the right to practice if the user has a licensed profession (e.g. medical doctor, taxi driver) and may endanger another person or someone's possessions.
    • Ban on visiting certain places (e.g. specific clubbing venues).
    • Ban on associating with specific other persons.
    • Foreign travel ban.
    • Requirement to report periodically to the committee.
    • Withdrawal of the right to carry a gun.
    • Confiscation of personal possessions.
    • Cessation of subsidies or allowances that a person receives from a public agency. (so there are still some punishments)
    There is to much (so much more) to summarise here but my overall gut feeling and impressions are that
    • The jury is still out on Portugal
    • Exchanging illegal use (pushers) to legal use (government) is pandering (how about pandering to those who don't use drugs. A program which gives you free cars, holidays and other goodies in exchange for weekly drug testing and remaining clean)
    The above is not a drug policy.

    Handing out goodies.

    That's a POLICY
  16. birch Valued Senior Member

    This is the key and wisest part of the law, its insane to legalize it as that means people can openly push it anywhere like its candy and harmless. No criminal penalties but a health issue but still illegal as in not okay to go to your children's school to encourage them to buy like its girl scout cookies etc.
  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Possession has remained prohibited by Portuguese law, and criminal penalties are still applied to drug growers, dealers and traffickers.

    There is a group to go after.

    Humpty Dumpty who has never pushed anything apart from prams, wheelbarrows and lawn mowers.
    Poe who is a pushover.

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  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    The problem with making and keeping things(anything) illegal is that one guarantees that only criminals will be involved in the supply chain.
    Many criminals are psychopaths, and most are sociopaths. It is these then that we support and nurture with prohibition laws.
  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

    Good answers above. No one really knows what's in it. Doing unknown street drugs will likely kill your friend eventually. It's all deadly, even if it's pure heroin.
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Yes and creates a black market economy free of taxation and regulation.
    One could think prohibition inflates prices which draws in criminals.
    There is a huge market would it not be better to have the supply regulated and taxed, and folk treated rather than punished.
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