Help with English

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Saint, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Matter of fact, Saint started a new thread just the other day:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/what-will-cause-humans-extinction.161093/
    and a couple back in the spring.

    Saint carried on a number of normal human conversations years ago. Perhaps ignorant, judgmental conversations, but as human as they come.

    You can find all his/her/its threads with a quick look in his/her/its Profile page:
    http://www.sciforums.com/search/15768229/
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I am not convinced the state of the art is such that we can program a bot to ask questions in this manner. Sure, Saint's questions are simple and terse, but still.
     
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    English sometimes is confusing.
    Aim = target
    objective is what you do to achieve the aim.
    Goal is higher level of Aim.
    Company's goals will be achieved if all employees aim to do the same thing.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    it is no where near that simple.
    aim & objective can be the same but also completely diferent.
    the aim can be the objective
    the goal can be the aim
    the target can be an objective of aim as part of a goal

    English is not confusing
    English is complex
    many people claim english to be confusing because they think it should be simple.
    but it is not.
    many people do not learn English properly yet they claim that they know the language.
    what you read is only around 10 to 20% of the actual language.
    so think of what you think it is.
    then times that by 4 or 5 times bigger.
    thats how complex English is.

    the difference between a person leaving highschool passing well in English and a very good English writer is around 1000% difference
     
  8. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    About 200,000 words difference in the successful writer's working vocabulary and the po' schmuck that got emptied in a modern public school system.

    Devoid of humor, abhorrent of diversity (what it used to mean), and less interested in teaching the skill of learning as a goal than they are in posturing before some agency or board, demanding more money for incompetent management and "educators", whatever the hell those are.

    We used to have teachers that could see, not buried in endless and mindless paperwork to the detriment of the entire country.

    We will be a long time paying that back. The sins of the fathers and all...
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You forgot, "Get off my lawn!".
     
  10. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Think of it this way:
    In archery, the goal is to score more points than the other people - as then you win.
    The target is the thing at the end of the archery range (i.e. the concentric rings... or the middle of it).
    The objective each time you pick up a bow is to hit the centre of the target.
    The aim is where you direct your actions (i.e. the centre of the target).

    You aim to hit the target, thereby fulfilling your objective and reaching your goal.

    In normal usage, the words are often used interchangeably, though but they can mean different levels of the same general notion.
     
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  11. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Life safety and life security means the same?
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Not exactly.

    If something is secure, it means that it has been "locked down" in some way. Your house is secure when you lock it with a key. Security doesn't necessarily have anything to do with safety.

    Safety means protection from danger of one sort or another.

    Neither "Life safety" nor "Life security" are terms that an English speaker would normally use. Perhaps you're thinking of something like "life insurance"?
     
  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Safety is primarily about not causing harm. Security is primarily about something remaining where it should be.

    Your house is safe, for example, if there are no gas leaks, no exposed wires, the construction is sound, no jagged edges, no slippery surfaces etc.
    Your house is secure (i.e. the things in your house will remain where they should be) if it is locked properly, there are no open windows etc.

    As JamesR said, though, I'm not too sure what is meant by "life safety" and "life security". What is the context of where you heard those phrases?
     
  14. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    In its 'bot training guide, probably.
     
  15. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    "life safety" can describe exercises or procedures such as evacuation drills.

    Perhaps a UK term rather than US ?

    (If Saint is a bot could her handler change the record? She is a bit tiresome -although the thread is a good one)
     
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  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Safety is often short-term and specific. Seatbelts protect you fore a few seconds during the collision and then become a liability when fire-rescue tries to get you out of the wreck. Smoke detectors warn you to get away from a fire but do nothing to put it out.

    Security is more long-term and more general. If your doors are locked, your house is (more-or-less) safe from intruders forever. If you are financially secure, it's for life.

    Insurance is a form of security.
     
  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Not UK - at least not that I've come across in my *cough* * cough* years.
     
  18. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    You know easy it is to pick most locks, right? Silently and in less than 3 minutes for a tough one. If you have a well-trained lockpicker, anyhow.

    Cops do. Criminals do. Whatcha gonna do?
     
  19. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Why women always say they want security of life when they decide to marry a man?
     
  20. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    What subjects do you teach Saint? It is better English to say "Why do women....?" rather than " Why women.....?"
     
  21. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Ndili ndi lingaliro! Nthawi iliyonse pamene Saint akufunsani kuti muwone bwino ndi mawu a Chingerezi, yankhani m'chinenero china osati Chingerezi!

    Chichewa looks easy, actually...

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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The term "security of life" is not generally used by English speakers, as I said previously.
     
  23. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    brushing up with = improving ?
     

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