Help with English

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Saint, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This little Carlin clip on English language my be a little humorous diversion. (warning, some crude language)
     
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  3. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Belabour= argue ?
     
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  5. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Argue = a heated two way discussion

    Belabour = keep putting forward a view (often after the other person has conceded). Repeating a point of view a excessive number of times

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  7. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Belabour has two meanings - the first of which is simply to attack, physically or verbally.

    More commonly, though, the meaning is to argue/discuss something far more than is necessary to achieve the desired result.
    E.g. "He belaboured the point until the Chairman asked him to move onto the next."
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to have only a form of negative association with the word, from a general listener's perspective.
    From a personal perspective, can enthousiasm and trying to follow a chronological explanation from a different experiential perspective which are a function of our mirron neurons, cognitive, but and causal to the personal perspective and understanding of the world. A story, a narrative which of course depends on the way it is presented.

    Anil Seth, sorry if I have posted this before, explains how the conceptual parts of the brain are at least divided and making "best guesses" might be viewed as belabouring a thought......

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    To paint a verbal landscape, and visual observations, a mapping of his understanding and experiential responses this his or her world. IMO, if the listener/viewer can visiualize and identify and have the same understanding as the narrator, then the seemingly gratuitous details may be interpreted as empathy (understanding and experiencin the same chemical process from another's particular's viewpoint, wherein lie the details of the recognition of a pattern from a new perspective through logic and mathematics, and in presenting a hypothesis; a semi-formal presentation of a new, from a different but possibly relevant perspective accompanied by a wealth of reference materials..

    Does this also not suggest a positive quality, at least to those who are experientially connecting with the narrative. Why read a book on romance, when we all care about is content, He belabored a point to make sure everyone in the room, understood the importance of the message", a positive reinforcement , IMO.

    If seen from such a perspective the motive may seem more benign than as generally portrayed.
    A narrative overview of knowledge in preparation to the foundation of a new form of observation and discovery of a natural imperative may well be necessary, at first seemingly sounding mundane, but on which on wich the hypothesis is founded : "Standing on the shoulders of ......".

    I believe Anil Set narrative and visually proofs, explains this much better than I can. This translation of "input, processing, and ouput, depends on the accuracy of the fundamental aspects known to exist in association with known phenomena.

    As Seth Anil puts it, "when human hallucinations agree, we call it reality"
     
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  9. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    In daily verbal,we use argue. Hardly anyone knows this word.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that appears to be the case.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is not uncommon to say "I don't wish to belabour the point, but let me just add...".


    Haha. But I guess I have to concede it is not as common even to me as I thought. When reading the thread, I kept reading it as "Bella-bore" and thought Saint was talking about some obscure French term.

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  12. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    carafe = flask?
    Is it a foreign word used by English?
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As with much of English, it WAS a foreign word, but is now effectively part of the language.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Though both are designed to hold some liquid, a carafe is typically a fancy shaped glass flask, whereas a plain flask (often made of metal) is commonly used as a container used for traveling purposes.
    They have the same function, but designed for specific human purposes (social or utility)
    Carafe

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    Flask;

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    Would not want to use a common flask with a fancy lobster dinner, one uses a carafe......

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  15. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    I saw in movie the cowboy drink alcohol from a container,is it carafe?
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If it was made from brown glazed fired clay with a small ear, it's called a jug.
    They are big and heavy, so the best way to drink from it, is (holding it by its ear), to sling it over your left arm and lift it that way, thus keeping your right hand free to use your gun if necessary..

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    An old style western whiskey jug.
     
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  17. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I think adjective order is a very confusing thing for non-native English speakers. I do not think there are even any useful rules for it.

    Here is an example:
    'That guy is a big fat ugly slob'. Not very nice but it is the first one that came to mind,

    If you said:
    'That guy is a ugly big fat slob'. Most English speakers would say that sounds weird.

    If you said:
    'That guy is a fat ugly big slob'. Most English speakers would immediately see that it was an unusual way to say the sentence.

    I assume people that are not well versed in English would think all of those sentences are the same proper use of adjectives.
     
  18. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    So what are the rules for order? "Simplest" adjectives first?
     
  19. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    The general rule of thumb is something like: opinion, size, shape, physical quality, age, colour, origin, material, purpose.

    So for "big fat ugly slob" - big is size, fat is shape, ugly is physical quality, so it would be in that order.

    It would also be "That guy is a horrible big fat ugly thirty-year old white British academic slob."
    Something like that.
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I've never heard of any such rules, I think it's just tradition, commonly heard phrases.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In story telling, you always begin with setting the background scenery or condition. The mind can identify with a visual or conditional illusion in the mirror neural network.

    This allows the listener to start relating to the story at a personal level.

    "As still the sunset lights the hills, the valley's dusk invites my fantasies to fill"
    chorus: I dream of you, my love

    "As still the breeze yet stirs the leaves, a raven folds his wings to sleep"
    chorus: I dream of you, my love

    "As still a sound bespeaks of life, silence weaves its way and sighs"
    chorus: I dream of you my love.

    "As still the daylight fights to stay, shadows gather 'round to play"
    chorus: I dream of you my love.

    "I dream of stories never told, stories of my love unfolds"
    " I'll dream of you, my love, until I'm old"

    chorus: I dream of you, until I'm old
     
  22. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    We say "our body" or "our bodies" ?
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Context.
    Normally, it should be *my body* and *our bodies* , but in context of a group effort, one can say *our body of work* .
    The first pertains to the body of the person or persons, the second refers to *the body of work*
     

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