Help with English

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  1. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    HALP. help.
    What does it mean: Av oo goh wa oo ur affa?
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Have you got what you are after?
    Where did you see this?
     
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    In speech, can I say to a friend (after borrowing his CD):
    I will give you back tomorrow.

    I'm sure he understands what I mean.

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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    No. You are not going to give back your friend. You are going to give back the CD.

    So: "I will give it back tomorrow."

    Probably, but he will treat you with more respect if you take the time and effort to speak correctly.

    How would you feel about me if I came up to you and began speaking poorly in Chinese?
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    You can say what you wish.
    Although:
    If you are trying to learn correct English,
    it's better to keep to the correct usage so that you don't slip up when it matters.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Try: 'I will give it back to you tomorrow.'

    You're not giving your friend back to somebody else.
     
  10. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    A friend heard it in a store in England.

    Which language?
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    It's English, spoken by someone with poor pronunciation.
    Av- Have
    Oo- You
    Goh - Got etc

    Are you sure your friend isn't having a little joke with you?
     
  12. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    No joke, since you say it is English.
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Did he understand it?
     
  14. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    Now you are out to defend one way or another. For record, he did not and asked someone what it was.

    Imagine if you use it with a call centre, and the man at other end hangs up in frustration. You will scream, and heap blames on the centre.
     
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  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I would be annoyed if I called a help line and someone spoke like that.
    It would be hard for me to understand him, even though I am a native speaker.
    But a call centre should not employ someone with such poor enunciation in the first place.
    Basic requirements for working in a call centre are to be able to use a computer,
    and to speak clearly.
    Your friend did well to remember what the man in the shop said, so he could ask someone else.
    Perhaps he should go back to the shop and tell the man that he should take elocution lessons.
    He might sell more things if people knew what he was saying!
     
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  16. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    If you called help and spoke like that? What would be the reaction?

    One thing is sure, callcentre will not use that language.

    In stead of quibling about a comma here or there, that is where you should pay attention.
     
  17. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Could it just be semi-garbled, toothless Cockney?

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    Or something like it, I've heard there are about 160 distinct dialects in England, not mention the rest of the UK. (I didn't check facts there, and will admit my error!)
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds credible, and the number of accents would be far more.
    I don't know if there are more accents in Britain than elsewhere, but we pay a lot of attention to them culturally.
     
  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    It looks like "baby talk" to me. Babies' mouths can form vowels but consonants are more difficult. People play with babies by mimicking the way they talk. This is actually a stupid thing to do, since what we need to do is teach babies how to speak like adults, not vice versa!
     
  20. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Yes. There are more accents in the U.K. than in all the other English-speaking regions combined (USA-Canada, Australia-New Zealand, South Africa, Caribbean, India-Pakistan-Bangladesh). A couple of generations ago many of the various forms of speech in England were so different from each other that they (arguably) qualified as dialects rather than accents. (Accents are intercomprehensible with just a little bit of time and effort; dialects may take several weeks or in a few cases even longer.)

    Some of these variants of English go back to the Anglo-Saxon invasion, when "Anglisc" became the language of southern Britannia instead of Brythonic, a Celtic language closely related to Welsh and Cornish. Without a strong central government, and without today's communication media, every region developed its own dialect of Old High German.
     
  21. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    For record it was uttered by a whitey shop assistant.
     
  22. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    "Whitey" is pejorative.
    Avoid its use.
    Say "white".

    People who can't be bothered to speak properly are of all shades.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I prefer "Euro-American," as a contrast to "Afro-American."
     

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