Help to prove Life originated on Mercury wanted

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  1. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    I'll quote that bit again
    That to me is saying after a few thousand years it was that size, but the whole protosun period is much much longer than that. So they are just describing it's size at one stage of its development. For at the end of the proto-sun period it had condensed down to the size of the Sun. You should be able to see it never stopped shrinking till it turned into a t Tauri star.

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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    So, was the OP, regarding Mercury, a joke then?
    Is there any point to this thread?
     
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  5. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Yes it is asking for "Help Wanted".
    Are you wanting to be one of the helpers?
    I need a team of geophysicists, mathematicians, and Astronauts willing to dedicate their life to the search for life on Mercury.

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    Start with these guys
     
  8. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    For what you're trying to do, these are the guys you need.

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  9. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    One looks like a geophysicists, one a mathematician, and one an Astronaut. Thanks for finding the right compliment of talent.

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  10. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    And cultural icon fail.
     
  11. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    I am a visitor here. Take me to your leader.

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  12. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    We still don't know enough about abiogenesis or the early history of the solar system to completely dismiss your theory, which apparently includes a lot more than simply panspermia from Mercury, as it needs a totally new solar system evolution.

    However...it's also not up to us to disprove that theory. There's a perfectly acceptable theory on the books that reasonably explains the beginning of the solar system, the growth of planetary bodies, as well as some ideas on how when conditions became favorable, chemical replicators changed to something we can qualify as life.

    What you have to do is not only show some evidence of your ideas, but you have to show that they make more sense and hold up better than mainstream theory. Thus far, you haven't done that. You could start by addressing Aqueous Id's questions, as without having some sense of your possible limitations, you're just rambling about a pet theory with no basis.
     
  13. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    What come first the chicken or the egg? In my case I know what come first. I discovered how planets formed, and it is radially different from what the current hypothesis is. I have detailed this in Physforums. So years after this, we were discussing "Are we alone in the Universe?" on Wooden Boats forum I then came to the conclusion the most suitable place for abiogenesis was Mercury. Thanks for your suggestions.
    I will go and look for Aqueous' questions later but now I'm in a rush. Later.

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  14. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    A radical misuse of the word 'discovered'.

    What you mean is having no knowledge of the subject at all, you pulled an idea out of your ass, having no basis in any kind of observation or experiment.

    That's called crank.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I think you mean circumferentially different.
    You're round the bend.
     
  16. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Yeah who has run an experiment showing planet building? In fact I did do some experiments allbeit very rudimentary ones.

    You say I have no knowledge but I'm not so sure you have much knowledge about it either. But I tell you a did a lot of searching for the answers before I attempted to work it out myself.

    Imagine if someone worked out 1 + 1 = 2 and someone else showed 2 + 2 = 4, and then I came along and said 4 * 1 = 4
    Would you say about that "Where is your experiment? Show this to be true" before you would accept it?
     
  17. Gustav Banned Banned

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    mmm
    smoke some weed kiddo
    it will take the edge off

    /kind like that

    if that fails, some psychological counseling?

    /even kinder
     
  18. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Gustav --

    Aw, someone thinks he's in a position to give me advice. That is so cute.
     
  19. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    I am proposing something different and just as likely as what others think happened. If you think I am wrong show me where I am wrong, just don't try and win the argument by insulting me.
    I am serious, and feel the idea needs exploration so that is why I have ventured onto the science forums.

    I have yet to have anyone tell me why my hypothesis is obviously wrong.

    Now you realise we are talking of volatile masses here, things that make up the early atmosphere. Don't let your agile mind think in terms of rocks, soils, dust or anything like that. So what we have is this 1 earth mass of rocky iron nickel silicone containing terrestrial bit holding this enormous globe of gas and liquid around it. I have not worked out to what radius that would make it. It would be good for the discussion progress if someone could work it out. Say with an average density of 1.5 to account for some compression of the inner liquid (How much extra radius would that make the Earth to have 27 Earth masses of volatiles around it? What are you like at maths?

    Now when the Sun went through the next stages of development and turned into a main sequence star it rapidly heated and the solar wind and radiant pressure drove the loosely bound volatile gasses off into space to be picked up by the still forming gas giant planets. This would have been extremely intensified once the Moon had been captured in orbit. The tides and waves created would have been enough to send liquids directly into space. (This the material from which Comets formed)

    That is where the Gas Giant planets get their exceptional mass from. And also partly contributed to mass of the ice planets even further out.
    The same sort of process was happening on Mercury Venus Mars and on the planetesimals in the Asteroid Belt.
     
  20. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    How is it "just as likely"?

    And we don't need to prove your hypothesis wrong, you need to prove it right. You can't shirk the burden of proof here.
     
  21. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Well of course it has to be one or the other, or maybe we accept that neither can be proven, both could be right.
    I would love to know, and I am thinking how one could prove it. The more discussion I get on the topic the better. Someone with knowledge may just come along and assist. That is what I hope for in any case.
     
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    So what I think we need to do is to try and calculate the size of the Earth if it has 27 times it's current mass as volatile liquids and atmosphere. We may be able to see what the Escape velocity would be of a planet that large and then see if the Magnetic field would still be able to deflect the Solar Wind at that distance.

    I would imagine it might take a year to work through all the physics and maths of it.
    Does anyone want to give it a go?
     
  23. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Rob --

    Ockham's Razor disagrees with you.
     

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