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Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Oct 30, 2016.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing improper about it. Handling classified information on an insecure email setup is mishandling, and Powell did that. Whether his negligence exposed any of that classified info to extraordinary risk of loss would be for an investigation to discover - there has been no investigation.
    He was handling classified information using email - true or false? His email setup was insecure - true or false?
    I doubt she broke any laws - at least, there is no evidence that she did. The evidence shows that she was much more careful than her peers, and the requirement for breaking the law is that she be much less careful - or acting with intent.
    He wasn't caught getting the blowjob. He was found to have gotten a blowjob on the basis of evidence obtained via an illegal wiretap. The person who illegally wiretapped Lewinsky's conversation with her "friend" was a government official breaking the law - was that ok with you?
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I just checked with the County Auditor's office; all ballots from my household are logged received.
     
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  5. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Got to get up early tomorrow to cast my vote for Trump before work. The Cubs winning the World Series and Trump trouncing Hillary would make 2016 a pretty good year. Hell, just the Cubs winning is already a miracle, but one can always hope for a sweep.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And another "conservative" drops all pretense of ever having had principles of governance, ever considered responsible character to be a requirement for high office, or ever actually paid attention to the matter of competence in handling the issues facing the country.

    As somebody around here noted, years ago: people who describe themselves as "conservative" here will vote for anybody - literally, anybody: W, Palin, Cheney - who promises to lower their Federal income tax bill by five or more dollars per year.

    And when the shit hits the fan, and their hero of tax cuts puts two worthless multi-trillion-dollar land wars in Asia (and thousands of dead and injured American citizens) on the nation's credit card

    and so badly screws up every government agency they touch that it takes a full week to begin get emergency response to a major port city hit by a bad storm,

    all the while tapping their phone and email without a warrant while searching for "terrorists" and not finding any that way,

    and entertaining male hookers overnight in the White House by giving them phony press credentials ( emails are a security risk? hello? )

    and establishing a chain of prisons designed and operated as torture centers, something only the bad guys did in the good old days they supposedly founded their morals on,

    why, the fault is the loss of moral rectitude in a nation corrupted by liberals in the 1960s. Also black people.

    And it doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all equally bad and nothing works.

    Which might be an attractive take on things for anyone who is forced to remember, in those odd moments when the flinch defense fails to kick in, that they didn't vote for Gore in 2000, or Kerry in 2004. But it's kind of cowardly.
     
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  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Russ_Watters:

    Thanks. So, let's take a quick look:
    So, it seems that there are a few elements that would need to be proved here under subsection (1), including:
    • information relating to national defence was involved
    • that Hillary's email server was not a "proper place of custody"
    • that she was "grossly negligent"
    • that she violated her trust (whatever that means)
    The big hurdles would seem to be the last three elements, and in particular the last two. All these elements would need to be proved beyond reasonable doubt to convict her.

    The FBI, incidentally, has said that she has no case to answer. That is, the law enforcement agency tasked with investigating this matter has repeatedly refused to bring a criminal prosecution against Clinton.

    Now, why not? A liberal conspiracy? Protection of an "establishment" figure? Some other kind of Trumpian conspiracy theory? What do you think, Russ?

    To decide whether it was a crime under the statute you have cited, I would need to investigate how courts have interpreted that statute in the past, for starters. You, presumably, have informed yourself about this already and you are an expect on the legalities of this. So, how about you tell me why it is crime, legally?

    Why is it not a private matter? Please explain.

    Just checking we're on the same page here: on what grounds do you think a working-age profession should be instantly fired for getting a blowjob from an intern in his office?

    Passionate? I've merely asked you to explain why you believe Hillary Clinton has committed a crime for which she should be imprisoned.

    Now, admittedly, my personal belief is that a Trump presidency would be a disaster for the United States, and undesirable for the world more generally, and being a citizen of that world I'd rather that didn't come to pass. If that's passion for you, then so be it.

    What? I made the obvious statement that if Clinton loses the election, Trump will win.

    I don't understand what's inaccurate about saying that if you Americans don't elect Clinton you'll elect Trump. (*shrug*)
     
  9. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    In line, been in line about an hour when the polls opened.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I thought you were smarter than that. Ah well.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Who first referred to voting as a...."a suggestion box for slaves."..?
     
  12. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Welp, you guys have fun.

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  13. Bells Staff Member

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    Oh, there's a surprise...

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    That swell guy you are voting for, considers the whole thing a waste of his time, effort and money if he doesn't win..


    No greater good there. He's only in it for himself.

    Be comforted that the likes of David Duke and his fellow KKK and white supremacists and the Grandfather Clause touting Harpy are voting for the same candidate you are. Personally, I'd set my own hair on fire before voting for the same person these people are voting for, but there you go.. And here you are..

    Enjoy your vote.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Voted last week. Oregon sends your ballot in the mail. You can mail it back or put it in a local drop box. They even have drive through boxes.
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    It's a great system, isn't it? This whole voter ID plot coming from the GOP is just puzzling. And, really Sideshow Bob issued my voter ID. Didn't need me to mail in my driver license; as long as everything matched up and I signed under penalty of perjury, that was good enough for the county auditor, because thats what state law says.

    We do fine. I can only wonder what's up in these other states where Republicans want extra hurdles.

    Oh, right. They're trying to rig the vote, and even saying so publicly.

    But, yeah, I was actually against the idea for fears of what I heard from traditionalists; that manner of vote coercion never materialized, so ... right. I won't give it up until we have biometric networked voting that produces a permanent receipt for the voter.
     
  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What if IDs can be faked? If you are that determined to rig an election, wouldn't you go that far?
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Depends on who I am. I suppose if for whatever reason I had decided this was the way to do it, sure, I would go that far if that avenue was available.

    Toward that end, I remember a time when conservatives would have run from certain ideas, but since that day in 2001, I've heard all sorts of stuff about a national ID card, and various iterations of a specific voter ID card eliminating other valid forms establishing identity to vote, and they're not flooding in from the leftists.

    I'm of the opinion that the elements and pathways required to rig an American presidential election are not in place, and, furthermore, that it will be conservatives who put them in place―under faux-libertarian pretenses―because that's kind of how it always goes.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, national ID, isn't that the mark of the beast?
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Trump is probably the last chance to repeal Obamacare which is costing me an extra {$}1500 per month in insurance costs for a plan that doesn't cover anything until I spend about {$}7,000 above and beyond the premium. It's killing small businesses.

    Obamacare is also killing private medical practices in favor of large group practices owned by corporations or hospitals. It actually pays more for the same procedure if it's done at an office owned by a hospital. On top of that, it is drowning us doctors with regulations and paperwork. A doctor I know sold her practice and was subsequently fired by the bean counters now in charge for not seeing as many patients per hour as they wanted her to. Her patients loved her, but health care under Obamacare is no longer about satisfying patients or doctors, it's about satisfying giant corporations.

    Plus there's the Supreme Court. A Supreme Court dominated by the Left would be a disaster. That alone is enough of a reason to vote Republican for anyone who cares about the constitution and the bill of rights. The left's hostility towards the second amendment is well known, but their growing animosity towards the first is less understood. Respect for free speech is declining in favor of support for safe spaces and banning "hate speech". Conservative speakers on college campuses are shouted down and have their events disrupted by militant leftists with no respect for any viewpoint but their own.

    I could go on. Suffice to say I took a survey comparing my views with Clintons and we were in agreement only 7% of the time. Why would I vote for someone who disagrees with me 93% of the time?

    EDIT - I added {} around the dollar signs to stop latex from eating your post with weird formatting. - Kittamaru
     
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  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Stalin?

    Maybe. But this guy gets the credit: http://www.fdrliberated.com/the-day-joe-rogan-discovered-the-real-stefan-molyneux/

    That had little to do with Obamacare - that trend started long before, when the paperwork and legal expenses required for dealing with insurance companies went through the roof, among other factors.
    You never link these little stories of yours any more. Why not?
    Because they know what they're talking about and you don't. Don't you know that?
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And how exactly is it killing small business? The economy is stronger now than it was when Obama assumed office and before Obamacare became effective.

    Again, how is Obamacare killing private medical practices? Small private medical practices are totally unaffected by Obamacare. If an employer has fewer than 50 employees, the employer is exempted from Obamacare business requirements. So please explain how that advantages larger practices?

    Obamacare doesn't pay providers. It only subsidizes healthcare premiums at most. It doesn't pay for procedures...oops. So you aren't being honest here Mad.

    Yes, forget about the havoc impact trade wars and economic chaos Trump would invoke, at least we would have a radical partisan Supreme Court which would enact all the laws Republicans couldn't get passed through democratically through congress.

    And who cares if Trump wants to bring back and expand upon George Junior's torture programs or his war on the 1st Amendment where he wants to squelch freedom speech.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435296/donald-trump-constitution-end-separation-powers

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ad-the-constitution/577f0751981b92a22d626c61/

    Then there is the fact he wants to eliminate the separation of powers. What a great world? What's wrong with a radial right win fascist dystopia. But hey, at least you will have an activist Republican Supreme Court.

    But you would vote for a neofascist. And you would vote for a guy who very openly wants to torture people. And you would vote for a guy who would run the nation's economy into the ground with his trade wars and fiscal incompetence.
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to see the kind of shit that is making insurance costs go through the roof...

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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Safe spaces have no bearing whatsoever on the first amendment. Clinton is also fine with the second amendment, we just interpret it to mean something different than, "you can have all the guns".
     

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