Have We not Figured out politics ?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by river, Nov 26, 2017.

  1. river

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    Have we not figured out that politics is about controlling the masses .

    And have the masses missed this , awareness ?
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Politics is simply about competition between different views, and the will to get those ideas enacted.

    Politics is an emergent byproduct of individuals trying to keep a system (such as a country) running - while being confounded by competing opinions on how to do that.

    There is no perfect system where politics does not factor in. There can't be.

    There are as many views on how a system should work as there are people involved in it. You cannot have that without factions, and thus without politics.
     
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  5. river

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    Competition is the problem .

    If you have a good idea , for the people , should I compete against your idea , just for the sake of competition ?
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    If you think it's a good idea, you probably won't compete against it. The problem is that not everyone agrees on something being a good idea. You can' t even agree with accepted science. How can you expect "everyone" to agree on what is a "good" idea?
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that is absolute bullshit. people can and will compete against a good idea another has for any number of reasons.

    one that is negative is that their idea may be better than yours and wish to subjugate it, even if your idea is not as good because the other may become more successful or put you out of business or won't be as profitable in comparison.

    when this happens, there isn't consideration for the greater benefit of the public as is motivated by self-centered interests. unfortunately, this happens a lot along with the good ideas that make it too.
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    We were talking about politics were we not? Now, you are talking about business or capitalism or whatever it is that you really want to talk about?
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Running a system does not work that way.
    People have different ideas about how to do the same things.

    They're not competing for the sake of competing, they're competing because they disagree on how to best serve the goal.

    For example,
    - some believe in supporting the people directly,
    - some people believe in support business, which will support the people.

    There will always be competing views. You want competing views.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. Laws against murder, for example, are politics. Society is trying to control the masses and remove their right to kill other people. But we generally think that's a good thing.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this cracks me up everytime. it reminds me of politics. he says 'let's figure out who is double crossing themselves while dressed as eachother'. lol
     
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