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Muslims believe all of the Quran, and we don't take pieces from here and there. This verse is very clear. If have issues with the context of the Quran, back up your claims with evidence. If you do not have evidence, then your points mean nothing.

I find the fact that this verse causing the bigots on this thread much harm as it completely dissolves their arguments, that is why they cannot accept it. They don't want to believe Islam is beautiful, because then their entire mindset is demolished.

This verse is clear, if you which to argue with me, use science and logic. Don't shout to me that this cannot be the words, because it most definately is. If this verse is unclear, read it again.


Quran 2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

 

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Which philosophy is that sam? The ethos that compels you to treat women as second rate citizens, hang homosexuals from cranes, stone rape victims?

Great book you got there.

 

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Roman, pls clarify as i know not of the ethos you speak

 

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No, thats called western intervention. For Islam's philosophy on women, you have to look back to the era before western intervention "decided" how other countries should develop, so they can benefit from their resources. Besides, all of the above pales into insignificance when you consider how entire countries have been cold bloodedly destroyed to feed the greed of a few.

 

You forgot the "for" that bridges the gap between the two phrases and which gets used as justification for coercion.

Or, simply tell me in which islamic country - since there is apparently no "compulsion" in religion - allows conversion from islam to any other religion.

 

Is there an Islamic country? There are only western puppet governments and the products of colonial abuse.

 

There are many islamic countries. Have they all been western puppet governments and the products of colonial abuse for the full 1400 years of islam's existence? It's just that it seems much more like a trend.

 

no - only so called islamic countries

 

What's the difference to the apostate?

 

No, which is why Islamic states have been the place where Christians and Jews escaped to when persecuted elsewhere, before western intervention. Even during the Holocaust, it was not the secular west that had an open door policy, but the lowly Arabs. Before western intervention played them as pawns in their borders and in Israel

 

the countries you refer to are run by a bunch of fuckin cunts supported by the US or another non muslim power there are also cunts who dont call themselves muslims in Africa and South America etc, who are equally vicious, and kill minorities to enhance their own power etc etc etc etc

 

The counterargument always seems to revolve around this notion: "Oh yeah? Well there aren't any actual islamic countries...just ones that say they are and are majority muslim and which explicitly declare that they draw their laws from islamic religious doctrine including the four major legal schools."

But how exactly does that translate into any kind of effective difference for the apostate? Let's leave aside the unlikeliness of all of those nations completely screwing up the message of their texts, and ask: does that matter to the convert? "Oh, mate, you could complain about this being a religious crime, but this isn't really an islamic nation." The sword cuts just the same. So maybe it's better if religion - all kinds, frankly - just stays out of politics where it conflicts with basic humanitarianism. Then, if an apostate felt really bad about his conversion, he could volunteer to local religious leaders for his own execution. After all, there should be no compulsion, should there?

I guess what I'm asking is...well I know DH is down with decapitation, but is anyone else here in support of execution for conversion? I recall that poll a while back that suggested the expected results. I'd just like to see it in words.

 

Ja ja, and they've been like that for 1400 years, Zak. No change. What should I infer from that?

 

what r u saying that there was no cuntish leaders before 1400 yrs ago!!???

or do just us muslims have exclusivity to cuntism????

 

O really? Is that why there were no Jews in Jerusalem [banned for 700 years before that] until the Muslims came there? Of course, that turned out to be a horrible mistake on the part of Umar, seeing what it means for the Palestinians.

 

No. Lots of cultures and religions were just as bad. But since we're all in the 21st century now, maybe we could stop all that.

So inviting them there means they couldn't possibly have been exploited or treated as second class citizens. Like Native Americans on reserves?

And you didn't answer the apostate issue. If there's no compulsion, why the head choppy?

 

no but its still not just muslim leaders who are exclusively cuntish!!

so yes they all should stop but they wont cos it is natural for some hum,ans to be cunts, regardless of what religion they say they practice!!

 

Of course it isn't. I'm just pointing out the larger trend of intolerance in religious politics. Seriously, Zak: is it different anywhere?

 

well yes at this point in time religion and politics shoudl not be mixed and i dont know when they should be mxied either, however regardless of religion people will still be cunts espicially if they gain from it

 

You blatant bold faced liar. By taking a verse and using it as evidence, you also just took a piece of the Quran. Hypocrite.

I gave you evidence, but you chose to ignore it, here it is again for you to read and not ignore. Comment on these verses of the Quran if you can.

Qur’an 33.27 And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.

Qur’an 21:44 Do they see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome.

Sura 3:151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

Sura 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

Qur’an 9:38-39 “Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place”

Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind (in fighting) will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”

Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.

Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”

Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”

Qur’an 5:37 “The (Christian) disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”

Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those (peace-loving Muslims) who do wrong and are wicked.”

Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah (to fight) became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me (with promises of booty).’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”

Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back (from the campaign) to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them (Muhammad) that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”

Qur’an 9:85 “And let not their wealth or (following in) sons dazzle you or excite your admiration. Allah’s plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and to make sure their souls perish while they are unbelievers. When a surah comes down enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask you for exemption from Jihad. They prefer to be with (their women), who remain behind (at home). Their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.”

Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption (from fighting) while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”

Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”

Qur’an 4:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”

Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

You clearly have no argument at all if you cling to a single statement which is contradicted by so many other verses from the Quran. All you can offer is Islamic propaganda from a brainwashed fool.

You haven't the foggiest notion what science and logic entails.