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Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by paulsamuel, Jul 13, 2004.

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  1. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Hey, PhD dude. For one, two phone calls don't make a case for harrassment. Second, you haven't proof who it was, so you should take it up personally with WCF if you think it's him, and not start shouting allegations.

    Lastly, posting personal information is a bit dim, and you invite all manner of strangers to your door if you leave a trail.

    So quit bleating and start looking after yourself.
     
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  3. Kunax Sciforums:Reality not required Registered Senior Member

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    the dude that called paul has proberly blacked out from laugther, perhaps tomorrow he show himself.
     
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  5. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    i suggest you read the original post
     
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  7. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    how many?
     
  8. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    The last members who were getting harrassed (albiet by a non-member) left the boards. Unfortunately, there is no proof as to who called you in this instance and, as has been pointed out, revealing your personal information available for all on the web to see merely invites problems.

    :m: Peace.
     
  9. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    it's pretty obvious it's fetus

    but you're right and it's a shame.

    you see, scientists discuss science openly, and don't hide behind anonymity.

    i've been to many scientific meetings and proudly presented my data for peer review.

    and here, you presumably have a forum for discussing science but in reality the forum is dominated by white supremecist racists, neo-nazis, creationists, pimply-faced fat teenaged anti-socialites bitter and venomous from their lives, failures, and societal rejections.

    pretty pathetic
     
  10. Kunax Sciforums:Reality not required Registered Senior Member

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    its a co-worker or perhaps a student, perhaps your just an easy target in RL
     
  11. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    My personal data is wide open on the net being a scientist. It is unavoidable. My work email is on every paper, and so is my address.

    Then we had the nice incident that the administrator of another forum displayed all my personal data on his and this forum.

    Since then I can't be bothered to hide anything. People shit you over if they really want to anyway.

    But shitting over people in this manner is just plain wrong. Of course in this case we don't know exactly who was it, but there are some ideas floating around on the identity of this person, which seem reasonable. There is no proof of course.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Oh for goodness sake. Grasping at straws a bit now aren't you? Did I say that rich people get blamed for muggings or pretty girls get blamed for rape? As I told you in my first post in this thread, if the calls continue then call the phone company, the police and the powers that be at your university.

    I merely said that if you post your details on a public forum, ANYONE can have access to such details and track you down. It is to be expected. It shouldn't happen but it does. Internet stalking has become a major problem in today's society. We are bombarded with warnings about NOT posting personal details on unsecured sites. And on this site, everyone is a stranger to you. You cannot be sure that we are who we say we are. You wouldn't walk up to any person on the street and give them the details that you posted in your profile now would you? I wouldn't because that person would be a complete stranger and could be a murderer or rapist for all I know. I don't know their credentials or where or what they are affiliated with.

    Yes. But they are your peers. If this were a forum that was restricted to people who were scientists and the checks were stringent to ensure that all were who they said they were, then your work address in your profile would not be such an issue. However this forum is one open to everyone. Your profile is available for viewing to everyone who visits this site, be they members or non-members. They can read what you say in here and form opinions and then if they don't like you, they can merely look up your very precise details in your profile and harrass you. Monkey made a good point when he said:

    And he is absolutely correct. It should not and is not different with harrassment based on the information attained on the internet. But there is one difference in how you are perceived as just a name in a phone book and how you are perceived on a public internet forum. On the internet you are more at risk, especially if you are participating in forums or chatrooms as such. Because in such forms of internet communication, you are putting your ideas and arguments across to a broad range of complete strangers, about whom you know absolutely nothing and who may take an extreme dislike to you. The anonymity you may have with your number merely listed in the phone book disappears because the people don't read your name in the listing and know what you are thinking, nor do they know your beliefs. Therefore, someone reading your name in the phonebook wont know whether they will agree or disagree with you or whether they will like or dislike you. This is completely different to a public forum on the internet where your details are available and merely a click of a finger away and your thoughts and viewpoints are there for all to see. While some here may be your peers, not all are. You do not know who your peers are on here. Those that tell you they are scientists could really be unemployed plumbers with a fetish for phone sex. The plain fact of the matter is that you just don't know. This is not the same as presenting a paper to a roomful of people who are indeed your peers and you know they are so because you know of their credentials and this can be checked easily. Very different to a public forum on the net.

    No, I think it's more revealing of my character and intelligence that details such as my full name and place of work is not in any public profile on the net. But then again, I guess I'm not so naive as to think that just because the forum is called "Sciforum" that everyone who frequents this site is a scientists or that this is indeed a scientific community.
     
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  13. Zero Banned Banned

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    Oh come on now. Don't get mad.

    I suggest you get yourself a hard, heavy baseball bat (or brass knuckles, that works too, any sort of substantial blunt weapon) and the address of whoever is pissing you off.

    Then just find the guy.
    Bow politely and say "I seek the honor of paying you back for minor grievances, [whatever the moron's name is]-san."

    Beat the living *$@& out of the moron, but make sure you don't make any head or neck blows (too much of a chance for a fatality).
    Bow politely.
    Leave.

    And then pop open a few beers and watch some porn. It's all good.

    Of course, you could do it the sissy way and go through with lawsuits and all that jizz ... I mean jazz ...

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  14. Mr. Chips Banned Banned

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    I think you nailed it on the head Paul. Popular forums become majorly populated by the disaffected.
     
  15. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    Then do something about it. Get the call traced/blocked, or get caller ID and don't answer when whoever calls.

    Recently my house has started getting up to 10 calls a day by telemarketers, if anything's harrassment, that is. I don't know how they all suddenly got my number

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    but if caller ID doesn't show who's calling, I and my family usually don't answer. Problem solved.
     
  16. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    If it was at your work then ask the "Tech" guy to see if all the called numbers are stored in a database of any sort.
     
  17. an>roid.v2 Registered Senior Member

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    Tsk. Always such drama.

    Look, yeah, agreed -- it was shabby. But look at it this way: you should be having the last laugh. Obviously, whoever the caller was, he/she was not in the least interested in chatting with the renown scientist Armstrong otherwise they would have... uhm, chatted, right? Evidently, you were being "checked into" -- to your face and incognito, which *is* a form of intimidation, really. Cheap, I think. BUT ...and this is where you should be laughing... now they know you are who you say you are.
     
  18. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    Paulsamuel,


    I HAVE read your opening post BEFORE I asked you why *exactly* you presented this harrassment issue here.


    And quite frankly, this:

    is self-victimization to me.


    I would understand if a 13-year old girl would ask such questions. But not a man with a doctorate.

    I think you're playing stupid here, because your ego was hurt.
     
  19. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    Then, didn't you understand what you read? The reason was quite clear.
     
  20. water the sea Registered Senior Member

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    Then, didn't you read what I wrote to you in the previous post? The explanation was quite clear.
     
  21. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    no it's not.

    you're just being a bitch.

    you asked why post here, and, as i said in the original post, it's to get opinions on how other people would deal with the situation.

    then, as i referred you back to the original post, you apparently still didn't understand, then it struck me, you don't want to know. you just are being a bitch.

    so, be a bitch, if it makes you feel better.

    sheesh!
     
  22. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    She's not being a bitch, she's asking a simple question. Even if you don't understand the question or think she doesn't understand your answer, doesn't make her a bitch. I can see what she's saying, it is self-victimisation. I'm sure you didn't get a PhD by asking others what to do every time you got an unpleasant surprise. Do something to solve the problem instead of complaining about it.
     
  23. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

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    i never complained once, not even once

    what the fuck are you talking about?

    she is being a bitch, i gave a simple answer to which i got this crap;

    my ego was never hurt, where'd she get this crap?
     
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