Happy Australia Day

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  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I also found the Boomerang song was not only written by Brits, George Martin of the Beatles produced it.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I must say, I skipped over the song video when paddoboy first posted it. Previously I was only vaguely aware of the song and assumed it was harmless. Having now listened to it in full, it is clearly wildly inappropriate. A bunch of white British people using indigneous Australians to make fun, all the while demonstrating an almost complete ignorance of the culture.

    It's not surprising that this kind of racist "novelty" song was tolerated in the 1960s. It's certainly not the only example of this kind of "humour", constructed to poke fun at the stupidity of the supposedly "inferior races". One would hope that producing this song is not something that George Martin would be proud of today.

    It's one thing to argue that the white majority in 1962 were so disconnected with the concerns of racial minorities that a lot of them thought this song was just harmless fun back then. It is quite another to sit here in 2020 and to try to defend it as harmless fun.

    The song has rightly been banned by the Australian national broadcaster. It really speaks volumes that paddoboy has no problem with it. It simply adds to the overall pattern of behaviour that paddoboy has exhibited in his time here.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You are forgetting many other examples of apparently inappropriate songs James, some still on the air waves today. Why is that James? It certainly speaks volumes re your total obsession and objectiveness, or should
    So let's have an end to this silly pretentiousness that you have shown in this thread.
    You did have a look at the other inappropriate songs, some played still today James?
    Elton John's "Island Girl"
    “Island girl, what you wanting with the white man's world
    Island girl, black boy want you in his island world”

    and
    Tonight's the night by Rod Stewart...
    “Don’t say a word, my virgin child, just let your inhibitions run wild"
    And probably many many more that pretentious folks like you may ban.
    Some I have no doubt even take the micky out of old farts like myself, or unknown scientists like yourself, or white folk in general.
    You do know also James in relation to Australia in general, that we often take the micky out of people and situations including ourselves.
    Perhaps you need a bigger, faster white charger for your clean up campaign.

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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Got another!! From the King!!! Oh boy, this is fun!!


    and who could forget this...love it!!


    She did cop some flack over this
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    paddoboy:

    I quoted the original version - without the comma - accurately. It's right there in your post #30.

    If you'd wanted a comma there originally, you should have put one in at the time. Without the comma, the meaning is ambiguous. My interpretation was one valid reading of it.

    It's fine for you to clarify. It's not fine for you to accuse me of dishonesty.

    Lots of people claim to be "proud Australians". The people who do it most loudly are often racist, nationalist bigots. I don't think you are, but if I were you I'd be more careful about whose mannerisms you choose to adopt, or else you risk giving people the wrong impression.

    It is already more than clear that we hold very different opinions on this stuff. That you regard mine as "bullshit and crap" is indicative of the very problem I'm trying to address here.

    Again, you provide a nice illustration of your attitudes in a nutshell. Thank you for once again confirming everything I've been saying.

    paddoboy, I make no apologies for my bias against misogynists and racists. Those people hurt other people. Have no doubt about it: I stand against them.

    Please be my guest and quote the relevant personal messages (only the relevant ones) to make your case, if that's where you want to take this next.

    Forcefully? You mean by force of argument? By the strength of my words?

    Again, I make no apologies for trying to wake you up to the 21st century. We're not living in the 1960s any more.

    I'm a moderator of the forum. I don't control what people say, other than to apply the standards that we have all agreed on. You can hardly claim that your views have been censored here, paddoboy. They all remain on the record, just as you posted them.

    As for joining the real world, I find it ironic that you think that your world is all that's out there. From my perspective, your world looks small and cloistered. I invite you to think outside your box.

    Forcefully again? You mean by the strength of my arguments? By the persuasiveness of my posts? What is this "force" you refer to?

    As for the content: I am, as is often the case, taking the reasonable position. I am urging Australians who might be reading this to consider the matter of the celebration of Australia Day and the date on which it is held from all angles. I am urging them to inform themselves about relevant indigenous perspectives on what Australia Day means and whether it is appropriate to continue to celebrate a version of it that many find offensive.

    Urging that the date of Australia Day should be changed is not my fight. I am, however, aware of the sensitivities surrounding the date and the celebration itself, and I am amenable to any sensible suggestion that will keep all parties satisified (with the obvious exception of racist nationalists etc.)

    As is so often the case, those on the political extremes are unable to recognise the political centre when confronted with it. Instead, they assume that the reasonable, centre view must be an expression of the radical opposite to their own views.

    Ah, the old "we don't have time for this. Children are starving!" argument for dismissing a concern so that you don't have to think about it any more. I've seen that often. Why can't you people learn to walk and chew gum at the same time?
     
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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    (continued...)

    Now there's an interesting matter to contemplate.

    What do you think has changed since the bicentennary in 1988? Why the sudden enthusiasm for Australia Day, and the renewed interest and reverance for ANZAC day? Don't you find it interesting how the celebration of ANZAC day has changed since the last World War I veterans died? Did you even notice the change?

    Consider the whole issue of "Aussie pride". What are the loud, proud Aussies proud of exactly? It seems to me that some of them, at least, are most proud of excluding others from their exclusive (read racist) club of "true Australians".

    Forcing again? If we are to believe you, it seems I do a lot of that.

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    Regarding populism: didn't I make that point in an earlier post? You can't claim that changing the date of Australia Day is "popular" right now, at least not among the majority of Australians.

    More importantly, you have made no case at all for the argument that the idea of changing the date is "nonsense". On the contrary, I don't think you've given a single reason for keeping the date as it is, apart from an appeal to a tradition that dates back only as far as 1940.

    I see. A majority vote wouldn't satisfy you. When it comes to indigenous people's views, you require a four-fifths majority before you'll start taking their concerns seriously. Not only that, you'll need to consult an unaffected group as well, and get their approval. All this before you'll lift a finger of your own.

    I'm honestly interested to hear about what it takes for you to call somebody an extremist with reference to ANZAC day. Do tell.

    Tell me what is unreasonable about changing the date of Australia Day to some date other than 26 January.

    We don't want the little women getting above their station, do we? Men have to stay in control. (*irony*, in case you missed it.)

    I invite readers to review the record for themselves.

    Strange that you bring up the "casual banter" etc. after telling us all about stuff that's irrelevant to it.

    What's female chauvinism?

    Like I said, it's probably past time where you have the will to make positive changes. Still, your poor example might be useful for swaying people who are more amenable to change.

    Methinks you protest too much. You forget that you're on the record.

    What ever gave you that idea?

    But, as I said previously, that's a very weak line you're trying to take there. "I'm not sexist. I love women!" doesn't work any better than "I'm not racist. I have lots of black friends!" People will look at what you (note: generic "you", not only you personally) do and say in the ordinary course of things, not at your protests and excuses when your sexism or racism is exposed.
     
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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    As is often the case, wikipedia is your friend:

    Derided by the feminist movement of the late 1960s and early 1970s, Wynette in later years defended the song as not a call for women to place themselves second to men, but rather a suggestion that women attempt to overlook their husbands' shortcomings and faults if they truly love them (and in fact, the last line in the final verse says "after all, he's just a man"). Wynette always defended her signature song. The song remained contentious into the early 1990s, when soon-to-be First Lady Hillary Clinton told CBS' 60 Minutes during the "Gennifer Flowers interview" that she "wasn't some little woman 'standing by my man' like Tammy Wynette." The condemnation from the public was immediate, even coming from Wynette herself.
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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    paddoboy:

    Nice attempt at distraction with the whole song thing. We can do a separate thread on songs that are on the nose, if you like.

    Because there are a lot of other men just like you in charge of radio airplay lists, maybe?

    But I don't really understand your argument. Are you attempting to defend "My Boomerang won't come back" on the basis that it isn't the worst example of a racist song? Or is this another try at "We don't have time to worry about that song. There are too many other songs that demand our attention! Children are starving!"

    Hang on.

    You're saying I'm totally obsessed and unobjective because I point out the bleeding obvious: that your boomerang song is a little bit racist? Is that what you're saying?

    No. We can do it in a different thread if you're worried about them.

    How is that relevant to a bunch of white British guys taking the mickey out of black indigenous Australians? Can't you see any difference?

    Clearly I do. You just don't get it, do you? The problem is actually invisible to you.
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And its certainly rather interesting for you to take the slant that best suits your position.
    I'll be who I always am James without worrying about certain others that have no effect or relationship on my life.
    So far you have admitted to brushing over things and ignoring, as well as making errors and/or mistakes judged what you have wrongly thought I said. Therein lies the problem.
    And an attitude that is held by the majority encompassing change when needed and with matters that really matter.
    I'm 100% with you there James. Some hope yet.
    You have access to the dialogue between you and I, just as I do.Check it out James....a lengthy paragraph justifying your actions. I don't believe it proper to raise here with other people's names.
    Forcefully as per doing whatever it takes no matter how underhanded sway anyone with a different opinion.

    I'm in the 21st century James, and am enjoying it and hope the lot improves for our indigenous brothers.
    Check out who of us was first to start down the road of inuendo, slurs, insults and misrepresentations James in your haste to chalk up what you see as a win.
    Considering that I have just returned from 2 months in Fiji and done a fair bit of travel, I find your perspective greatly faulty, to put it as nice as possible.
    The fact that you have failed in convincing me that Australia Day should be changed, is, well your failure, due to lack of reason, evidence and support for that. Your poll does not really cut it James, as we all know that all the many polls before the election were predicting a LABOR WIN.
    Not really. Your argument is faulty at best.


    Best of luck James! When you start having success, come back and I'll review it, OK?
    Nup, As I said, we have far more important indigenous issues to work out James not some change of date to satisfy your ego.

    Anyway James I need to be off....much to do and it may take till late in the evening. Don't be too concerned, my age is no barrier to my social life and duties that need to be done.
    Oh, and James it's OK if you see the need to cal me an old fart...just please do it with a smile on your face, OK?

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  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You can lead a horse to water...

    I think the chances that you'll do that are very slim indeed, but we'll see. I expected no better from you.
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The only thing worth contemplating is having our next government take action on real indigenous issues, and not some
    relatively unimportant issue, that only questionably has the support of half the indigenous folk.
    TV, adverts, government actions re events etc and a general campaign re that. My comment on ANZAC day stands and I suggest you stop acting dumb and accept that some have an extreme and utterly crazy view re that most solemn day on the Australian calendar.
    Thankfully, your thoughts on Aussie pride, is rare and is falling on deaf ears James. So you didn't celebrate Australia Day? Sad.
    Yes apparently and obviously that's true.
    I'm speaking of the populism of extremist new age, so called political correct views, which when one gets down to the nitty gritty don't see the light of day.Not populist in general.
    Unnecessary, waste of time, not supported by any great majority...Common theme in my posts, and once again a show of obtuseness from you or worse.
    There are other Australians to think about and other issues, and of course any more problems by such an unwarranted move at this time.
    I take it then that you treat ANZAC Day as a solemn day as it should be, remembering our fallen comrades in all wars? Good, 10 points for that James
    Again James, more unnecessary then unreasonable, and the fact that other more pressing issues need to be fixed, which like the James of old we know, is just ignored.
    No again, just as I said despite your childish silly sarcasm.
    Agreed, and let me make it clear, the OP of that thread stands as is, and as a warning that while male assualts are far more frequent, we do also have the female version of low life.
    Tough titty if that offends your insecurities James, or anyone else.
    What's irrelevant? The casual everyday talk and banter in everyday society, like love, sweet, darls etc are just that, and probably part of the Australian casual way of life. That is proven everyday in the real world.
    My own word for those that practise misandry.
    I'm always open to reasonable change James and so are most of the general populace.
    As are you James. My record by the way just in case you chose to again misrepresent, is that women's equality is desired[not superiority] casual banter as per my examples are harmless and everyday talk by the general populace, and of course that the 26th Jan will most probably remain as Australia Day. Sorry if that grates on you too much.
    You.
    The only thing worth noting is again your own misrepresentation and slurs spewing your own nonsensical ideas on the world. See c my reply a couple posts back.
    Again James this misrepresentation is making you look desperate and foolish.
     
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  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    How precious of you!! Facts are james if we go through every song, probably there will be something in most of them that some precious soul will be offended by. I even gave one from the King off the top of my head.
    How old are you James? I said the song was politically incorrect when I linked it. But as I say there are plenty of others. I love the Tammy Wynette "stand by your man"James!!
    No your totally obsessed and unobjective because of a combination of less then realistic points you have put and demanded we all accept, while at the same time, misrepresenting me on many occasions.
    'They don't worry me in the slightest James. But if you want to discuss them and push for their banning, in another thread, be my guest. I'll certainly oppose that nonsense too.
    Í'm speaking generally James, and highlighting tha fact that taking the Micky out of each other, black, white or brindle, is what Aussies do a lot.
    Your present charger would do, if you were pushing the important stuff that I raised.
    And Sure I get it. You see a need to change the date and didn't celebrate the day, and I find it as less then urgent and did celebrate.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Oh goody. Another couple of posts from paddoboy. He's never been one to quit while he's behind.

    Just for fun, I'm going to deal with all the personal bullshit first, this time, and handle the stuff relating to the actual points of disagreement separately.

    I didn't say anything about that. Why does the idea that I didn't celebrate it make you sad, paddoboy?

    Again, I didn't say anything about that. I actually asked you a question, but you ignored it and decided to make some more assumptions about me instead of answering it.

    Here's an idea you could try if you want to find out what I think or what I did: you could ask me. A strange idea, I admit, but who knows? Maybe it could provide more accurate information about me than your wild guesses.

    What pressing issues are you claiming I'm ignoring? What issues are on your agenda for urgent fixing?

    When you say something along the lines that you want women to be equal and not superior, in order to excuse your sexism, you almost parody yourself. Seriously, what response do you expect?

    Well, golly gee, paddoboy. That's a-lookin' a lot like another one of them assumshins I mentioned a couple of times just above. Again, if you really want to know, you could always try asking. Radical idea, I know.

    Nice. An unsupported accusation of misrepresentation. Criticising your archaic views becomes "slurs". Explaining why your views are archaic is "spewing". And because it all flies over your head, it's "nonsensical".

    Well done, paddoboy. Go for broke!

    Old enough.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Let's do Australia Day and indigenous matters next.

    Who's going to decide which are the "real" issues and which are "relatively unimportant"? You?

    Realise that it wasn't me who started the ball rolling on the debate about the date and meaning of Australia Day. Who do you think did? And why? Why didn't those people focus on the real issues?

    Can you walk and chew gum at the same time, paddoboy? Do you think anybody else can do it, maybe?

    No. I don't think that's the reason. Look deeper. Consider the recent rise of populist nationalist politicians around the world. What rhetoric do they use? What do they say they value? What do they say they represent? Think "Make American Great Again", for example. Now apply what you have learned: Australia Day, ANZAC day, right-wing, populist politics.

    Is this too hard?

    Why do the Institute of Public Affairs and Advance Australia want to pay for polls about the date of Australia Day? What's in it for them? Why do they take care to prime the people they are polling with lead-up questions that are likely to bias the results? Why aren't they concentrating on the "real" issues, rather than this?

    I don't know what you mean about acting dumb. What have I said that is dumb?

    Recall also that I previously asked you what you regard as "an extreme and utterly crazy view" about ANZAC day. You didn't explain what such a view would entail. I can't even tell what end of the political spectrum you would consider "crazy" or "extreme". You have explained nothing, so far.

    Which thoughts are you referring to, specifically?

    Is this just a way for you to say that you're not listening?

    Do you think the idea of changing the date of Australia Day to some date other than 26 January is an extremist new age idea?

    What's extreme about it?
    What's new age about it?

    Please explain.

    Surely it's not the case that you simply can't be bothered getting off your arse to change anything, is it?

    Unnecessary for whom? You? I'll accept that it's something you don't care about.
    As for the time required to make the change, I'm confident it could be done with a simple resolution in Parliament or something of that kind. It could be done and dusted in an hour or less.
    As for majority support, I'm wondering what you're saying, exactly. You and I know that indigenous Australians make up 3.3% of the total population. That is, they are a small minority, and in terms of pure numbers the non-indigenous majority will always be able to out-vote them on any issue if it comes to a simple vote.

    Do you think that indigenous voices are especially important when governments are making decisions regarding issues that concern indigenous people? Or do you think that the majority will always act in the best interests of the minority?

    You can't walk and chew gum at the same time. I get it.

    You're still bending over backwards to try to defend the indefensible, rather than trying to be a better person. There's no need for me to rehash the discussion in that thread. It speaks for itself.

    I have no idea what relation you think anything in that thread has to my supposed insecurities. That thread has so much more to say about you than it does about me.

    *sigh*

    Try to keep track of your own argument, at least. Here's what you wrote, and what I commented on:

    My views and those of the general populace remain as is, and as I have listed Mysogeny and mysandry both exist. Male chauvinism exists..female chauvinism exists. Neither have anything to do with casual banter between ordinary folk in ordinary situations...you know James, me calling a shop assistant love, a bank teller calling me sweet, a female Ambo calling the Mrs darling.
    Let me break it down for you. You ask readers to note that "male chauvinism exists..female chauvinism exists". Then you go on to talk about "causal banter between ordinary folk...", making the point that neither male chauvinism nor female chauvinism have anything to do with casual banter. If your first two sentences really have no connection to your third sentence, as you take pains to point out, then why mention them at all?

    Here's what I think. I think that, following our conversation in that other thread, you are fully aware of how your sexist attitudes relate to your "casual banter". What you're doing in the above quote is trying to create a separation between your behaviour and that topic. You are trying to give readers of this current thread a false impression of what went down in that other thread, which I linked in a previous post. I urge interested readers to read through that other thread and decide for themselves whether the "casual banter" you mention in that thread amounts to a form of sexual harassment, or at least inappropriate, overly-familiar behaviour on your part.

    No. A person who is open to reasonable change, like I am, would say "If Australia's indigenous people regard the national day of celebration offensive in light of the official date of that celebration, and there is no compelling reason to continue to celebrate on that date, then the date should be changed to a mutually-agreeable date."
     
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  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Let's discuss racist songs now.

    Your boomerang song was considered racist enough for the Australian national broadcast to ban it from playlists.

    Do you think the ABC is full of precious souls who were unreasonably offended by your little "politically incorrect" song?

    Would you urge them to reverse their decision? On what grounds?

    You admit you knew the song would offend people, but your chose to post it anyway. Why? Did you intend to offend? Did you want to rub somebody's nose in it?

    Do you, or do you not, agree that the boomerang song is racist?

    Simple question. Please answer it.

    Clearly not. Is it that you don't care if something offends other people, as long as you like it?
    Whether it is the date of Australia Day or racist songs or making inappropriate comments to shop assistants, it's the same principle with you, isn't it: I'm alright, Jack; the rest of you can go jump if you don't like it.

    Will you defend black face on TV, too? How far will you go to defend racism?

    A little bit of racism is nothing to worry about, as long as it's all done in a spirit of fun and only the black people's feelings are hurt. Right? Where's the harm in whitey paddoboy having a good laugh at their expense?
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    Do you want to keep digging that hole, paddoboy? This thread of yours in rapidly turning into the same sort of slow motion car crash that the other one turned into. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I find myself pointing out how your archaic attitudes hurt other people, while you remain entirely oblivious or willfully blind to it all. It's kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, but at the same time I kind of feel sorry for you that you're so set in the old ways that you're unaware that the world has moved on without you. I don't enjoy being mean to you, but to continue to carry on like you do, after you've been shown why your attitudes and behaviour are problematic? Sheesh, what's with that?
     
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    It's not me who is resorting to desperate tactics james, in some futile precious effort to appear to occupy the moral high ground. You've been doing that since your first intrusion in this thread celebrating Australia Day.
    Second point as I previously mentioned, as usual, it was you who started with the bullshit, misrepresentations, insults and slurs, just as you have done in the "space alien" thread..."Welcome back MR [again] " Now please maintain some sense of dignity and decorum and avoid painting me as a believer in ghosts, goblins and Alien UFO's!!

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    If the cap fits James......As far as being sad goes, you know James, most of us, including many indigenous folk, were having a good time. So I had some sympathy for you.
    Ít's you avoiding answer my question on ANZAC Day James and once again playing dumb to boot. There are silly far left groups
    that claim ANZAC Day is a glorification of war, and at times shown irreverence for its true meaning. Like your apparent reluctance to come clean about whether you celebrated Australia Day or not, you seem to be taking the same tact here also. You aren't aligned with those ratbags are you James?
    Methinks you doth protest too much James!

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    I'm fairly open and straight forward on my life and opinions James. Its on this forum in many posts. I'll leave the paranoia and secrecy up to you. That opinion based of course on a message you sent me a while back.
    Well the many apparent politically incorrect songs, a smidgin of which I listed...the fact that the boomerang song was popular at my local among many indigenous folk....the fact that Aussies in general are renowned for taking the micky out of each other, whether white, black or brindle. There the more recent ones...certainly more...
    There we go again people! You asked the question, what is a female chauvinist, and I answered the female version of a male chauvinist, which of course you already new and was simply once again just playing dumb. Or perhaps you weren't play acting?

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    And of course your accusation on me being a sexist, based on the fact that I said I was all for women's equality as opposed to superiority, a view now interestingly pushed by former women's liberationists such as Bettina Arndt and Germaine Greer.

    Well you did say that you didn't have any as friends James, remember? And of course you could just answer yes or no and stop all the over-the-top protesting.
    Again, you admitted as much yourself when I caught you out on the first page. Although you called it a mistake I think...too lazy to check. I call it stupidity at best and dishonesty at worst.
    Criticise all you like James, but do it accurately, which you have admitted yourself you failed at. Cut the insults, slurs and misrepresentations, which you started and which I carried on with.
     
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  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Already done James.
    I have already listed one of those issues James, which "should"be even obvious to you. You forgot?
    Because James, the world is full of fools that will oppose anything simply for the sake of opposing. Remembering also James that if any change of date was made [not likely] there would be even stronger protests with many indigenous folk among them.
    I don't chew gum James. But on the point you are trying to make, there are more important issues that need to be attended to first, despite some rather childish analogy.
    The recent rise of popular nationalists is as you say "recent"
    The popularity of Australia Day, has been around since the 80's for the reasons I listed.
    What's your view on ANZAC Day James?
    The most recent was the last question above.
    There we go again!!Playing dumb!!
    Of course all this "playing dumb" bullshit, is simply James' argumentive style in getting people on the defensive. How'd I go James?
    Your apparent lack of Aussie pride.
    Sure I'm listening, and that has been shown by my comments on your misrepresentations which you admitted to, slurs and insults, of which you will always excuse with questionable reasons.
    There are more important issues at this time and of course only around half of indigenous folk appear to want this change.
    See last answer..
    Anyone else have a feeling of deja vu and familiar rhetoric with river?

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    Yep, its river!!
    Thankfully, what you accept or otherwise is of no concern.
    Dream on James.
    There's that dumb acting again, and a touch of deja vu.
    James of course is playing dumb on that the 3.3% of indigenous folk is also split down near the center.
    Certainly to the first and not always to the second.
    Honesty James is the best policy as they say James.
    If only!!

    No bending needed James. A female chauvinist should be hated as much as a male chauvinist...a female criminal that makes false claims that result in the ruination of a man's life, is as obnoxious as a male rapist or paediphile. That's pretty clear James and a view I don't really need to push that hard, despite your views and the couple of brown nosers that cling to your shirt tails.
    I'm rather pleased as to what this thread says about me, as well as the other thread and the points I made there.
    What it says about you? I'm sure that is obvious throughout this thread.

    Oh brother!!! Let's spell it out for you James...female and male chauvinists are not defined by casual banter in addressing the other sex as Love, or sweet, as per the examples I have given, and as per the overwhelmingly held view of society. Or are you cloistered up in a convent James away from the real world...sheesh!!
    Total unmitigated bullshit James ...Come down out of your ivory tower James!! You aint gonna change such relaxed, casual, inconsequential banter and talk James, and neither is anyone else..
    I dare say I'll be practising more of it today and I'll have others also practising it on me. Let you know how it turns out later James.
    Yes!! If a reasonable large majority of Australia's indigenous folk regard that day as offensive, and if there is no compelling reason [which there is] then the date can be considered to be changed to a date mutually agreed upon. [if such mutual agreement is even possible]
     
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    Just racist songs James or any song some group may see as politically incorrect as per the examples I have given and I have barely scratched the surface.
    It certainly is offensive to sum, just as is the others I have listed and probably thousands more.
    Should it have been banned? Well it did get plenty of air play [including on the jukebox at my local at that time by indigenous folk] in a few countries.
    No more then your own efforts yesterday in rubbing MR's nose with your comment, "welcome back again"
    Try being consistent James.
    And I posted it by the way simply to make a point that it was not offensive to all indigenous folk and did get plenty of air play before being banned.
    It is and can be viewed by some that way. Others may take a different view [others meaning other indigenous folk]
    Pot, kettle, black keeps popping into my mind James.

    Gee James, you'll need a bigger white charger. There are literally many many songs that at least some group of people may find offensive. I listed a few. Good luck James!!
    No that's just more of your bullshit James for the reasons I have stated and the examples given and including both sexes.
    Hey James, I think I told the story in that other thread where you got on your white charger again....A while ago in the 70's I was standing outside my local club in Bondi, when this gorgeous blond walking by, gave me a slap on the arse!!!!

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    My mates all laughed along with me. I didn't give it too much thought in getting her charged with sexual harrassement.
    I have a few more stories, some more recent James.
    I don't defend racism James and never have. This is just you again being a desperate fool and misrepresenting me and my views which align with the majority and society in general.
    Are you claiming that only black people are offended in certain songs James.? Or has your desperation tactics just reached a new low?
    Don't be too concerned about being mean James, as I see how desperate you are. Plus of course I would be rather concerned about your own hole you have dug. I am on level ground James and living in the real world where Aussies do take the micky out of each other [you can call me an old fart James] People are able to compose and listen to songs [within acceptable reason] without getting to offended, people can casually address each other as love, sweety, darling and such without worrying about some demented, troubled fool having him or her charged with sexual assault.


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    Fair dinkum!!
    Well I'll be a monkey's uncle!!! Our next door neighbour just knocked on the door and said to me, "Listen sweety, can you just watch Jenny for me for 10 minutes? Jenny being her Shih tzu terrier, sweety being me!!

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    Ahh the nonsense of it all James!! How timely was that!!!
    ps: Never ask a woman'her age as they say, but she is around 40ish.
     
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    10 minutes actually turned into 65 minutes!!
     
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    Lucky Jenny gets on OK with my miniature Dachies.
     
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