Tch Tch And you call yourself a Christian? God gives all men all earth to love, but since man's heart is small, ordains for each one spot shall prove beloved over all ~ Kipling
I don't disagree with the cite, Sam. But, of course, it would never have worked in the ME. The history of the behaviour of non-Jews to the Jews around them in the Middle East isn't a question of the former shunning the latter, as the parable of Parnell. That would have been well enough; and I point out that the immigrating Jews of the 1940s and before bought their land, not stole it. Yet even then, shunning - even so severe as that of a leper - was not the penalty, but rather raids, extortion and murder. Even that land legally owned by the Jews of the ME could be taken at a whim by anyone of the community of islam, deemed the "protectors" of the dhimmis. No: instead the experience of the Jews is that of the cries of excitement in the back of the crowd: "Kill him!" "Shoot them!" Them, of course, being the Jews of the ME; long before there was an Israel, and long before the immigrants took up arms against a population politically and religiously disposed against them. Even moreso, mere "shunning" of their Arab occupiers by Jews probably would not much help their case, or provoke the sudden tolerance of their overwhelmingly more numerous neighbours. It would be regarded as nothing more than the continuation of that which was already there; the separation of the dhimmi from the believer, of the "impure" from the "pure". Parnell's Parable is a fine thing; but it doesn't apply here.
You'd have to show that Jews were persecuted by Palestinians before the formation of Israel; otherwise, you're just spinning fancies. The Irish were also persecuted by the British, else why the IRA?
Sam, the history is long and abundant. Let's start with Safad, which came up earlier in one of your posts as somewhere that was supposed to be a point of great persecution on the basis of land ownership at the hands of a rabbinical council - a body which, in fact, has no rights over land matters. The history of Safad is not replete with tolerance from their Arab neighbours:
It hasn't been that good in the other direction either. Yemeni Christians were also persecuted by Jews when they were in majority. And everyone can see what Israel is doing.
Sam, why is my status as a Christian dependent upon whether or not I acknowledge a nation which never existed?
Sam, why didn't the Arabs in 1947, recognize the State of Palestine? It was to be founded along with Israel under Resolution 181, of 1947. They could have recognized the Palestinian State, and still have refused to recognize the Jewish State of Israel, they did kill the Palestinian State, but they could not kill the Jewish State of Israel, if the Palestinians had been smart they would have joined the Zionist and helped throw out the Arab invaders, and they would have had a State of their own. Egypt held the Gaza from 1947 till 1967, and Jordan held the West Bank during the same time frame, if a Palestinian State was is important?, why didn't they give the West Bank and the Gaza to the Palestinians and help them establish a State? They never even tried, what they wanted was to partition the British Mandate between them and the Palestinians be dammed, and now who has treaties with Israel, and the Palestinians are still sucking hind tit in the Arab world.
The whites of the United States persecuted their black citizens. Hence the Africans would have be justified in invading the U.S, and stealing their land.
Yes; but in Yemeni, and in Israel much after the 19th century and the early 20th. As for mountainhare: maybe so. Can you say they were not? If not, how not? If oppressed once, would it be reasonable for them to allow themselves to be oppressed again?
mountainhare Which Africans? the ones that sold their fellow blacks into slavery? How about invading the Arab Nations, they were the biggest slave traders, on the continent? and they sold many a slave to the markets in the middle east, and Mediterranean coast. Which African nation? as they all sold their people back and forth between each other, and it is a funny thing they still seem to. You seem to forget we fought a very bloody civil war to end slavery, and have laws that make discrimination illegal, how about Africa? Today?Slavery is it still Practiced? do they treat all their people equally? Blacks? Whites? Mulattos? Jews? Moslems? Christians?
