Gustav Temp Banned For Foul Words?

No I read it - it was lengthy but not thoughtful. It also completely missed the point that Bells was making. I saw no point in responding to a post which was not supported by what I have seen of bans/permabans in this forum. For example, this thread where Fraggles feelings were hurt when Gustav goddamned an online dictionary with foul language - would that argument really hold up with anyone else?

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You forget, I've been there. I've read the backroom bitching about members. So yeah, banning Gustav for saying goddamn is really hypocritical considering some of the things Fraggle has said.

In the light of this thread, where Gustav was banned for saying goddamn, not addressing Fraggle but addressing online dictionaries and Oxford, what do you think of the hypocrisy of letting mods and admins get away with insulting members of the forum?

IOW, is attacking the argument punished on the forum but attacking the members gratis?

 

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You must be thinking of someone else. Since when have I allowed feelings to interfere with discussion?

But since you asked, let me illustrate why I ignored previous post by responding to this one:

When your personal bias against a member is not involved I have seen you to undertake the override of a mod decision. In fact, even when your personal bias has been involved I have known you to override your own decision when proved wrong.

So yes, the fact that Gustav was banned for 14 days for saying goddamn to an online dictionary and stayed banned is evidence of your support for this decision.

Note the responses from the mod team - they are even more interesting in that the number of people who have addressed the issue objectively [i.e. is saying goddamn to an online dictionary a bannable offense] is very very limited

Let me reiterate:

This person is offended by the word goddamn? Really? This person who thinks religion is evil, who considers "you contemptible Jews, Christians and Muslims" and "you moron religionists" and "you retards" as acceptable terms of definition of religious people and members of this forum is offended by Gustav saying goddamn to an online dictionary!!??

To repeat: But yeah, when dissent is categorised as profanity, what we are doing is pandering to little egos, not rational debate.

And it seems, sci is chock full of little egos these days.

One advantage of this to the administration is that expectations of rationality from the admin have reached all time lows, so the bar is set at a level appropriate to their emotional investments in their own superciliousness

Yeah we noticed.

No I mean where Fraggle vents his angst against members by using profane language and maligning their personalities and characters.

True, but in a science forum, you'd think that more than two moderators would see the ludicrousness of assigning "goddamn" as profanity. I would expect that kind of consensus in a religious forum but not in a science forum.

I doubt it.

I already did.

 

Is it possible that Fraggle got fed up with Gustav's posts and found an excuse to get rid of him for a few days.
Could it, in fact be this post which was the final goddamn straw?

Heh Heh

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I beg to differ. This would only be relevant if there were expectations of consistency in the so-called rules. My own expectations are merely consistency with the stated stance of [some of] the moderators themselves - and how they are nowhere to be seen in their moderation. One does not expect James R to become Fraggle Rocker or even to adopt or deny his position. But one can surely not be over reaching to expect Fraggle Rocker to demonstrate his own stated stance in his moderation? What is the credibility of the moderator to be based on? Or are they all to be assumed as incredible? Should we assume that what FR prates on in his posts are hyperphasic or paraphasic dyslogical speeches which are in no way determinant of his actual position on an issue?

Is apposite usage of words also a bannable offense? Is jackass more or less insulting or "foul" than retard or moron? Can you call a jackass a jackass?

 

Well what kind of goddam skanky bitch would ban Gustav?

 

Subforums are separate environments.
That's good for biodiversity isn't it?

Fraggle likes to keep Linguistics somewhat learned and scholastic.
Calling him a Jackass was bound to cause trouble.
Funny though.

 

Ergo it was ego that brought about the ban.

 

The epithet still holds.

 

To some extent.
Plus, he has set standards in his subforum, and wants to keep them that way.
That's reasonable I think.
But to Gustav it's like a red rag to a Bull.

 

Uh.. keep reading.

 

I would accept it if it was someone like Billy T who does not call people names and hence could rightfully object if he was so abused. But when you go around calling members morons and retards, its rather ironic to [supposedly] ban people for calling you a jackass

I think however, the ban was for the thread which Gustav had started on Fraggle - which no longer exists - in which he painstakingly reproduced Fraggle's moderation posts as an example of trolling.

This kind of stuff:

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Perhaps you should read gendanken's posts ...

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My concern is that those who share a lot about themselves at the forums put themselves in danger IRL.

Some members share so much information about themselves, in open forums, where they live and work that it would be possible to identify them IRL.

This becomes even more dangerous if the person is living a lifestyle which their environment does not approve of.

I feel bad about the altercation between us, although I am not sure how to mend it ...

 

In my book Fraggle is a stand-up guy.

Gustav's post, to me, was pushing a little too hard. He could have toned it down a little. He was addressing a Mod. The fact it is an accumulation of posts is the main factor. IF Gustav has had prior warnings and has ignored them then he made his choice. Have to ask him when he gets out.

Fraggle has always been civil with me. And even when I have questioned his stance on occasion it has been very amicable.

Gustav and Fraggle are the only two who can unravel this.

 

God is the only one who can unravel this. And He is dead like a Dodo.

 

Well, something's unraveling that's for sure. I appreciate the thread and all the comments from all sides.