Gun Control, Really?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Woody, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. Mrhero54 Registered Senior Member

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    Its not about GUNS!!!!! It about People

    I don't understand how people take massacrse like the one at VT and see them as some kind of guns rights issue. Guns like drugs are not the problem, fucked up people are. Guns are inanimat objects that are not evil, or bad or mean. It is the fucked up people of this world that do fucked up shit, guns like airplanes (9/11) or only tools.

    This is not about GUNS. Its about CRAZY people!!!

    This is not about a student that stumbled into a gun closet and said "cool, guns!, I think I'll shoot 30 people today!" It is about a guy who wasn't stable and snapped. It is nothing new. In fact, the worst school attack happened in the 1920's, so you can't even blame this on modern times.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    People snap all the time, sometimes they kill one person, sometimes lots of people, sometimes themselves, and sometimes no one. If they are determined, there is little that we as a society can do, but respond to the crisis. We can try to be prepared for such things, but the reality is that there is a random element to events like this that pervent people from forseeing all the possible scenarios. One can't plan for everything, because one does not know everything.

    If your dumb enough to believe that more guns in classrooms or stricter gun control laws will pervent events this, then your delusional ass should stop breathing and stop wasting the oxygen smart people use to think.

    A criminal doesn't obey gun control laws and carrying a gun does not equal protection.

    Crazy people will do crazy shit and there is little a socitey can do to stop other than stop producing crazy people....and I don't see that happening any time soon if ever.

    Think about it.
     
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  3. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    OK, so they get to kill guilty victims while they're in prison. Your idea does have some merit.

    BTW, how many murderers are repeat offenders I might ask? Compare that to the ones that were executed.

    A gun is good enough to defend yourself. I've thought about poison darts though.

    Actually I don't have a gun, but I'm glad for law abiding citizens that do -- like the girl at my brother's apartment complex -- she killed a serial rapist that broke through her sliding glass door to take his umpteenth victim. He had a knife, but she had a gun. Guess who lost.

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    It's always been interpreted as the right for any citizen in good standing to bear firearms.
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Easily accessible guns means easily accessible homicides and manslaughter.

    'Nuff said.
     
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  7. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Oh wait, I've got an equation for that:

    Access = Opportunity

    Sorry if this is the wrong forum. I did think about putting it in Physics and Maths.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not arguing for taking away our right to have a gun, it's obvious to me that wouldn't have prevented someone set on killing alot of people. It's just that the second ammendment isn't that clear, and there are restrictions presently on gun ownership. If it was a clear right, there wouldn't be a backround check or anything.
     
  9. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I thought you were afraid of Physics and Maths?

    Don't make me call some geeks. I'll do it.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to know how many people were shot by people with a complete background check.
     
  11. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Um, which forum did I opt for, Geoff?
     
  12. Mrhero54 Registered Senior Member

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    Not really. Many people have easily accessible guns and never commit murder or homocide...why? because the opportunity never presented itself or it isn't in that persons constitution to shoot someone.

    Guns are just tools. They are only bad when bad people have them.

    Guns are not the problem. People are. If someone wants to hurt someone else, if it not guns, then its knives, if not knives then rocks, if not rocks then are bare hands.

    Either way, violence in people is the problem, and limiting or allowing access to tools won't avert violient tragedies from happening.
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well then why'd you even think about the other one then? Don't go telling me you're going to toss it in with the spooky Math-ish people and then do a runner to Politics.

    Thassit. Fisticuffs.
     
  14. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Oh fuck. Here we go..

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  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Guns make it easy. If you want to kill someone with something else, it's fairly hard to do it accidentally. To do it intentionally, you really have to hate them, or else be an enraged janitor from the Midwest.
     
  16. Mrhero54 Registered Senior Member

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    What?

    Acess=opportunity?

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    Just because one has access to guns does not mean they will have the opportunity to use it.
     
  17. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i might not be able to be armed with a handgun but atleast im allowed to roll down the london streets in a tank.


    peace.
     
  18. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Um...

    <thinks>

    Yes it does.

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  19. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    "Guns don't kill people. People do. With guns."

    I still think that's not only my best contribution to the SciWiki, but the best sentence in it.
     
  20. Mrhero54 Registered Senior Member

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    confused?

    I don't get this either. Guns don't make it easy to kill. A person must have the gumption to kill in order to kill. Using a gun just requires less effort then most means of killing someone...it is a tool.

    And people get killed accidently by things other then guns all the time...car accidents is an example.

    Nor do you have to hate someone to kill them. Soldiers have to kill people all the time, regardless if they hate the person or not.

    What are you really tryin to say?
     
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  21. Mrhero54 Registered Senior Member

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    A gun can create a false sense of security. Just because you have a gun, doesn't mean you'll have the opportunity to use it when you need it. A cop was shot recently in my neighborhood. He didn't get a chance to unholster his gun. He had access but he didnt have the opportunity.

    try thinking again. And this time, truly think.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Where the hell do you live? Beirut? There's people dropping left and right in your bloody hood. I wonder you don't have body armour.
     
  23. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    Yes if Cho Seung-Hui did not have easy access to guns he would have killed over 30 people (and himself) with a rock or his bare hands.

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    If guns were even easier to come by these incidents would happen more often.
     
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