Gun Control, Really?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Woody, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That guy was a marine, and his standoff lasted longer.
     
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  3. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    he was also barrackaded in that tower. if he had been on the streets the people would have shot him.
     
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  5. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    He values his life more than you value yours I suppose.

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    The doctor was assaulted on a house call to a poor neighborhood by a crazy person brandishing a knife. The guy with the knife was trying to kill the doctor.
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    May I suggest?:

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    Don't leave home without it.
     
  8. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Geographically Europe isn't the USA. How does the USA stop the illegal flow of goods and people across it's border with Mexico NOW. Liberals don't enforce the laws.
     
  9. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Likewise for capital punishment. The more crooks that die, the less innocent people get killed.

    It's how we got our freedom. The citizens of our country can fight invaders along with the armed forces.
     
  10. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Life in prison accomplishes the same thing.

    Why can't we have artillery and battleships, then? We are way behind the times in terms of arming citizens. In fact, the second ammendment pertains to a state militia, which is the national guard. They keep their weapons in armories.
     
  12. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Owning a battleship would be really cool.

    Governments don't have to be moral, why should we have to be?
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I think governments do have to be moral.
     
  14. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Uh oh, more gun control topics.. here, read all this:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=56596

    And also in that discussion you'll find a couple reports of some college guy killing 8-15 people at his college with a knife. Uh oh, now we'll need knife control! I sure hope some deadly kung-fu badass guy never comes and kills everyone with his death touch otherwise we'll need body control and we'll walk around in handcuffs and ball and chain to keep ourselves safe..

    - N
     
  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    whats your point dont you have a sense of humour?

    and i dont hunt squirrels i hunt for meat not sport, and i use a bow not a gun, it takes alot more skill, does a shotgun have much effect over 50 yards?





    peace.
     
  16. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    dont you think this is stupid, in the uk i have the right to own a tank! and actualy drive it through the streets of london like a car.

    but i cant walk down the street with a tonfa/night stick to protect myself (i have had a tonfa conviscated before by the police on the street)


    im allowed a fricken tank! but not a stick,

    thats it im getting a tank,

    peace
     
  17. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    In fact, it does not.

    The militia was conceived as the general populace, trained and armed to defend themselves. It was intended specifically to protect us from the tyranny of the state and the power of a standing army. It is our protection against our own government.

    The National Guard is nothing more than a state army. Far from establishing such an army the second amendment was designed as a counterbalance to such a force.

    ~Raithere
     
  18. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    so gathering a civil army and waging war against bush is ok?

    or have i got that wrong ad hearing what i want to hear?

    peace.
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree, the National Guard is the militia mentioned in the Constitution. One purpose is to defend against the possible tyranny of the Federal Government. The general populous isn't trained, and is thus no protection from much of anything.
     
  20. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    howcomes your allowed to wield a gun without proving you can use it properly?

    or do you have to pass a shooting/handling course before you can purchase a gun? if so does it teach you how t correctly deal with a deadly situation and tactics on how to handle other armed assailants in your home.

    peace.
     
  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    But the National Guard are duly-sworn US military soldiers, thus they'd be the very ones who'd be part of the tyranny of the US government!! ...LOL! And thus the regular, plain-old, ordinary citizen ...without a gun... would be easy pickin's, huh? Is that what you'd like to see?

    Trained? What does it take to teach/train a decently intelligent person about how to use guns? You act like it's a year-long, difficult, highly-involved training session.

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    Baron Max
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Lego? Evil Danes, flooding the American market with lethal children's toys.

    The problem of gun control is that the manufacturers have their hands in the pockets of administration; Republican and Democrat both - and who wants to be the fellow who kicks Springfield Arms out of the state? Lost jobs.

    The solution is simple: abandon the free market and go communist. Come on, you know you want to.

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    http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2887

    Historical Background

    During the War of 1812, many governors refused to mobilize state militia’s to invade Canada. Their refusal sparked off a debate about whether the constitution allowed the president to order state militia units to fight outside of the United States. Congress circumvented this issue in 1908 by designating the National Guard as the United States' first line of reserve.7 When the president calls-up the Guard units to federal duty, he in effect “drafts” the unit into the military. When units are drafted, they technically become part of the United States Military, but they retain all the same equipment and members. The only major difference is that they go on active, full-time duty and become subject to the orders of the United States Military and no longer serve their state.8

    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=836

    The 1990 Supreme Court case Perpich vs. Department of Defense is a case in point. Then Minnesota Gov. Rudy Perpich claimed the DoD violated the Constitution when it ordered the Minnesota National Guard (which he claimed was the 'state militia') to duty outside the state without his consent or that of the state legislature.

    So the statist left has its “militia” and the rest of us have ours. No wonder so many of them can’t free themselves from the false but mesmerizing aura of the “Militia=National Guard” equation. The statist left doesn’t want to because it’s interested not in the right of individuals to protect their lives and liberty against a tyrannical federal government, but in giving that tyrannical federal government a blank check, figuratively and literally, to indulge in state-sponsored terror under the tautological trinity of “crime prevention," "anti-terrorism" and "national security.” And Clinton Defense Secretary William Cohen has all but told us to “get used to the idea.”
    So there it is. General militia versus special militia.
     
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