Greatest I Am's anti-religion thread

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Greatest I am, May 3, 2017.

  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Christians pray to those you name but do not ad them to their foolish Trinity concept.

    They are all over the theistic map but not as far as you put them.

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    DL
     
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  3. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I understand your position, based on your use of the word "perfect", a word I did not use.

    Best possible is not perfect unless you use the term evolving perfection or as American English says, a more perfect state. We evolve and so does what we think of as best or perfect.

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    DL
     
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  5. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Christianity is polytheism. It's only natural.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Again, you are confused...

    I am not wanting an innocent man to suffer and die for my wrongs... but that is exactly what the story of Jesus is.

    He gave up his life so that I might be cleansed of my sins. That... is hard for me to swallow sometimes, because I don't feel worthy of such a gift (the gift of Grace). The realization I had about a year or two ago was that... I don't HAVE to be worthy of Grace and Forgiveness... that's why it's Gods gift to us. We don't earn it, we don't deserve it... yet it is given to us all the same. We merely have to accept it.

    That is the part I struggle with sometimes... accepting it. A part of that is because of my depression, I know... I have days where my self image and self worth are... well, if it was an accounting ledger, it would be penned entirely in red ink... but I am getting better at it, especially with my wife supporting me (and in turn leaning on me when her depression rears its head - I have always been strongest when I had someone to help).
     
  8. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    What have you suffered? Are you talking of your self here...
    I'm not all the clever with these religious wordy things, so I will never get into Heaven I guess.
    Could you give a simpler explanation of what this means... ''I have become a brethren to Jesus thanks to having suffered apotheosis'' Thanks in advance
     
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  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Then you have made up your own brand as most Christians say they are monotheists.

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    DL
     
  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You say you do not want to while lining up for your get out of hell free card.

    If you did not want to, you would be taking the moral high ground.

    Tell us, who is more likely to see justice in the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty? Satan or God?

    Answer that and you will know whose ideology you follow.

    Regards
    DL
     
  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Apotheosis and learning where you are right and where you are wrong in your thinking gives both pleasure and pain. Self-chastisement for errors gave me more pain than the pleasure received in my right thinking.

    Jesus, or the sage hat put these word into scriptures might be referring to this concept.

    Hebrews 5:8
    Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

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    DL
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't need to deny or refute. I need simply show that your premises - and therefore your case - has not been made. You committed a few fallacies of the Hasty Conclusion form, which must be fixed before your case can make sense.

    The first Hasty Conclusion is that God is "limited" to creating only one son - i.e. he is unable to produce more.
     
  13. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    I see what's going on here... yet another of your attempts to troll folks who actually give a damn about religion... (either that or you are woefully ignorant of that which you are trying to talk about)

    That's not how this works... or are you claiming I have some right/ability/standing to tell God that He is wrong? That I don't need saving?

    I guess that would depend on your definition/viewpoint of "justice"... after all:

    So you believe yourself to be "above" God, that you would tell Him how to save you?
     
  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    They are pseudo-monotheists. In practice a saint or angel is a demi-god. They can do miracles.
     
  15. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    My ---- "The God sold by Christianity say that God has no limits, yet God is limited to only one begotten son. Or is he?"

    Note that I did not conclude that since I ended with asking a question. Thanks for your demonstrated Hasty Conclusion.

    I also end indicating that many begotten sons are possible and ask that people reach out to be brethren to Jesus.

    You might want to read all that I put and follow those links to bring you up to speed.

    Regards
    DL
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    God id said to be unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways, so how do you know how God works?

    "are you claiming I have some right/ability/standing to tell God that He is wrong?"

    Yes, if you follow scriptures.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

    To your last.

    Yes, you can tell God he is wrong. Unless you think a genocidal son murdering God is right to kill when he can just as easily cure.

    What have you done that is so evil that you deserve to be condemned by God?

    Regards
    DL
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Since 2+2=5, then 4+4=10.
    Or does it??

    It matters not whether you question it or not; the premise is false.

    No, we are not here to discuss with the authors of your sources, we're here to discuss with you. You have presented a case, in the OP, which does not hold water.

    You may, if you wish, refer to specific passages in your sources, but they do not speak for you. It is up to you to point the the passages and show their relevance to your stated case.
     
  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    As you can see, I was asking your opinion of justice but see that yopu would rather deflect hypocritically than give a clear answer.

    The God who I believe in is a Universalist God and has no need to punish those who do what he created them to do. Do you not believe in a perfect God who gets all his souls into heaven?

    I am a brethren to Jesus and like Jesus, I have taken the judgement seat and follow Jesus in putting myself above God. You, as that last quote of the O.P. see Jesus inviting you. Step up.

    Tell us, when you were born, were you evil enough to condemn or were you made that way from contact with those around you who reared you?

    Answer that and you will note that for justice to be done, God would have to punish a lot of people along with you. Now transpose that scenario to all of us and note how we should all end in hell as we all contribute to whatever exists in this world.

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  19. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Let me know where I can find proof of a miracle.

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    DL
     
  20. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for this.

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    DL
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Perfect. So you retract the OP, with the plan of overhauling the argument or abandoning it.
     
  22. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Not in the least. I am saying you are wasting my time with idiocies and we are done.

    Regards
    DL
     
  23. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    You are the one that started with the random deflection, but hey, whatever helps you sleep I guess *shrug*

    I believe God wants everyone to come back to him. He also has committed to not interfering with free will - after all, if he took away Free Will, we would all be mindless slaves, and what is the love of one who can do nothing but love you worth?

    And thus, you have taken the post of judge, jury, and executioner. You have a very very different interpretation of Christianity than any Bible I have read provides...
    Jesus does not call us to "take the judgement seat" in any verse I know. Please, provide ANY passage or verse of substance to back your statement.

    Psalm 51:5 “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

    John 15:14 “What are mortals, that they could be pure, or those born of woman, that they could be righteous?

    We are sinners, even from birth. However:
    “In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19). And in his letter to the Roman Christians, Paul wrote: “But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

    We only need accept Gods Grace, forgiveness, and his calling us back to Him through Christs death to be able to pass into heaven.

    The fact that you seem to think you endured some "great trial" that makes you an equal to Jesus is... well, quite laughable.


    And this is what proves you know nothing of what you speak... Grace is what we need, and Grace is what we have been given.

    Test all things of Man...

    Romans 9:20 ESV / 25 helpful votes
    But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

    Isaiah 45:9-12 ESV / 31 helpful votes
    “Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’? Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’” Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him: “Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.

    Job 38:1-41 ESV / 12 helpful votes
    Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? ...



    I have done much that is evil... I have judged, I have lied, I have inflicted injury without cause or purpose... I am flawed. I realize that.

    The fact that you see yourself as above that will be your undoing...

    At this point, I don't believe there is any real reason to continue conversing with you - after all, how could a mere mortal like me POSSIBLY stand before one such as yourself, who is an equal to Jesus and above even God himself...
     

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