Gravitational Time Dilation

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  1. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

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    Thats the fact about fossil field theory, find out the stable configuration of fossil field over a time.....you get a naught......this theory coupled with Gravitational time Dilation is self help theory....google may help you.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Again it has been proven that you are the one that does not understand, and cover your lack of knowledge up with bullshit as was shown in your paper, and revealed by our expert Professors.
    Do better Rajesh.

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    Yet I have done OK with my basic knowledge and as agreed by the experts, while the same experts reveal that you are confused with nonsensical unevidenced, scenarios.
    Two or three have told you to learn some GR...Others have just outright dismissed your fairy tales.
    Do better Rajesh.
     
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  7. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

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    This tutorial is talking about absurdities of singularity...........logically, reasonably or common sensically you are letting things fall towards absurdities ??
     
  8. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

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    ............These are non exact numerical solutions which again you will not understand......due to non linearity of EFEs the superposition of spacetime distortion for multi-body is a GR problem area.....

    Thats the fact........
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Let me finish up with this...Over many threads now you have shown yourself to be dishonest and a troll crank.
    According to you the whole world is wrong and you are right.
    According to you, you are Albert Einstein....
    According to the rest of the world, you are Donald Duck.
    Good bye Donald, I'm going out to dinner...far more pleasant than trying to educate mugs. Bye Donald.
     
  10. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

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    Enjoy, the dinner !!
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    THE ANSWER:

    THE CONFIRMATION:
    Hi Tashja,

    I believe paddoboy has answered the question as thoroughly
    as anyone can. As he says, the question has no answer,
    because there is no link between an interval of coordinate
    time inside the horizon and an interval of coordinate time
    outside the horizon; the internal and external coordinate
    systems are not related to each other.

    Cheers!

    Eric
    _________________________________
    Eric Poisson
    Professor of Physics
    University of Guelph
     
  12. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    This is the main problem with relative references; both see different scenarios. The second problem is connected to each relative reference will often do a unique energy balance. Some will add extra energy, while some will subtract energy. The solution is to use a common reference, which is the speed of light, so all references can normalize.

    The second way to normalize is connected to pressure. If we have a neutron star, to make this easier to see, the pressure causes matter to phase change into neutrons. What this does is define a unique range of the EM spectrum. Protons and electrons can no longer act with the same proportion of energy levels, one might find on the earth's surface; lower pressure phases. The distribution tells us where we are; energy map reference point. If this map is red shifted or blue shifted, due to relative reference and/or motion, that will not change the distribution's shape, only its position.

    If we extrapolate this to the black hole, the pressure will create a uniquely narrow spectrum, due to the phases of matter that will be allowed at those extreme conditions. Technically, one cannot fall into a black hole without changing phase into the blackhole's EM band. Space-time, taken out of the content of pressure, induced by the invariant called mass, is often misleading. One will not fall forever, but rather one will phase change. This new phase, may take forever to work through all the density to ever reach the center of the BH.
     
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    As the mods know I was nimbus until I lost my log-in details, I couldn't be bothered to explain who I was formerly on a crank reservation site, that would be like saying there is some sort of respect required on this weird science site.

    This site constantly allows its science categories to be the platform for the 'ideas' of people who routinely demonstrate their lack of understanding of the underlying science of their 'ideas', and who also show a twisted sense of taunting when told something that goes against their 'idea' or more likely they don't understand what's as been explained to them.

    It's a question of... What does this site expect when it is this site showing it doesn't give a hoot about science as long as the posts keep coming. No science in this post but it's a post and that what counts.
     
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  14. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    the only enlightenment i can give is the one who wrote this post doesn't understand anything let alone this completely ridiculous question.
    you were given an answer by an actual professor. now you're initiating the usual nonsense made by individuals who have no education nor experience,but yet presume themselves to be intelligent. typical uneducated piss-ant internet science heros.(shakes head)
     
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  15. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    it appears you can not grasp that every physical state entity has it's own time rate[whether it's local, remote or nonlocal]. then shared within other local time rates[while within an overall time rate].
    i agree with only me, you do not have the complete education let alone the understanding and experience as you attempt to ridicule.
    it's that simple.
     
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  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Those facts have been patently obvious over more than a half a dozen threads now, on many reasonably simple facts re cosmology, culminating in his failure to recognise the validity of all frames of references.
    All this despite the many professional replies, that have been received in trying to educate and help him.
     
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    Rightly or wrongly this site has been developed to cater for all...science buffs, conspiracy nutters, those infected with delusions of grandeur, religious fanatics, the gullible and their beliefs in Big Foot, ghosts and Goblins etc etc.
    What is crazy at this time is this particular dishonest loony, who choses to post nonsense in the science threads, day in and day out, along with blatant lying, deception, and intellectual dishonesty.
    He has already driven away one Professor, and a couple of members now to boot.
    If we [this forum in general] can be thankful for anything, it is that the scientific establishment and academia are at least free of his craziness and that the time wasted in rebuking his nonsense, along with the wasted bandwith etc, are confined here.

    Finally for some reason, there appears no moderation at this time in this particular sub forum.
    Wellwisher's ambling word salad at post 109, as well as Rajesh's trolling is a good example of that.
     
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  18. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    yes, yes.
     
  19. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

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    So, the point is if we cannot explain something in simple words, then inference is that we do not understand.....

    None answers the question, everyone gets into negativity......so for those who are interested, I am offering something to ponder over.....


    Time in Relativity

    1. The time as envisaged in relativity equations, is not the time what we perceive, what a layman understands day to day. Einstein offered us some derivative of time.

    2. The time as envisaged in relativity is frame dependent, kind of observer dependent...and observation is further linked with light travel, thus time is non absolute in relativity. So obviously two different frames, may yield different times. And now frames on either side of EH cannot be mathematically linked, so the time on either side also cannot be mathematically linked......thats possibly what the Prof said.

    Time as absolute

    This is what a layman perceives the time to be......and he is fairly right. But in all likely hood this is not the 'time' that is stated in the relativity equations for following reasons.

    1. The concept of time in layman's mind is that of abstractness, non physical, so obviously, it cannot be changed by any physical influence.

    2. The concept of time in layman's mind is independent of observer and independent of speed of light, unlike that in relativity.

    3. Take a snapshot at t = o sec of the entire universe (the problem is with respect to what ?), then take another snapshot of the entire universe at t = 1 sec (our time).......thats the absolute simultaneity and thats the absolute time, independent of everything (gravity, speed, frame etc..). Thats how the time is defined, but that is not what is present in relativity equations. Whatever 't' is present in the relativity equation shares the name only with time.


    Absoluteness of time..

    1. It is abstract, so it cannot be changed by any Physical influence.
    2. Time is a concept defined by human beings, and a certain standard physical measure is fixed for ease, that measure can change or get influenced by Physical interaction like Gravity etc, but not the absoluteness of time.
    3. It is foolish to say that absolute time in satellite (GPS clocks) have changed.........the clocks being physical measure of time, may have been influenced by Gravity, but Gravity certainly cannot influence the absoluteness of time. That still remains same.
    4. Take for example, at Earth take snapshot of a satellite at t = 0 sec, and after t = 1 second, take another snap shot....that is 1 second lapse of time in absolute sense......if the atomic clock on satellite is showing 1.0000001 (say) seconds, it is the influence of weakened Gravity on the atomic clock, it is not that the time has slowed or hastened.
    5. There is an argument that GPS clocks are corrected to take care of Gravitational Time Dilation etc, ok.......the atomic clocks may have been influenced by Gravity, or/and multiple transponders and involvement of observation through signals may involved correction in 'relativistic time' as used in the calculations. But it certainly cannot be termed as time slowness or fastness.
    5. Finally lets us take it this way : t = 1 second is defined from the Cs standard as follows....(as taken from Wiki)

    ...............Caesium clocks are the most accurate commercially produced time and frequency standards, and serve as the primary standard for the definition of the second in SI (the metric system). By definition, radiation produced by the transition between the two hyperfine ground states of caesium (in the absence of external influences such as the Earth's magnetic field) has a frequency of exactly 9,192,631,770 Hz. That value was chosen so that the caesium second equalled, to the limit of human measuring ability in 1960 when it was adopted..............


    This description is extremely beautiful.....see the red color marked, if due to Earth's magnetic Field the transition frequency of Cs states changes, obviously the reading will be different....so It cannot be stated that wow....Earth's Magnetism has slowed down or hastened the time....yes the time as recorded by the clocks changes under different Gravitational Points, and that needed to be corrected and that is GPS time correction.....

    6. Finally one interesting experiment question.....

    For a spring mass system under small oscillation T = 2pi Sqrt (m/k)............now suppose this set up is recorded on earth with (T, Amplitude, Max velocity) as (1 Sec, A cm, V m/sec.)......Now we put this on our satellite, then what would be these 3 parameters........or we do this experiment on moon...
     
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    Paddoboy, your desire to object me, makes you support such beauties !! You are forgetting that the number of times krash661 has shaken his head, the entire grey matter has fallen off by now from his head...
     
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    You see yourself as an Einstein: The world sees you as Donald Duck:

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    You have nothing, and have never had anything except for your bloated ego.

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    People with lesser intellect have no option but to follow the path as guided by wise men............they can never be the leaders, they can always be the followers......and these very people prostrate in front of a person, once he is declared and accepted as leader by others. On their own they have no capacity to judge anything...they need the reference or back up......just the herd mentality.

    Unfortunately these forums are full of such people, who claim to be the custodians of mainstream science, but actually they are followers of science......
     
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    I think I have a mix of both...for people like you, I am Donald and for intelligent people (who are in minority here or have reduced to minority) I am like Einstein.....any problems, Paddoboy...

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