Governments REAL position on UFO's

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Believe, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. river

    Apparently alex you have read nothing on the subject of UFOs

    To bad really
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  3. Mazulu Banned Banned

    You're a mold?
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  7. river

  8. Mazulu Banned Banned

    3,090 under "UFO foo fighters".
  9. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

    The third and fourth clips are the worst fakes I think I've ever seen.

    The first and second clips consist of little blobs of light on the film.
  10. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    President admitting "flying saucers are real and constantly discussed"

    This is direct from a United States President. Odd unless true.


    I cannot see rest of video so context is likely off.

    I myself think there must be alien spacecraft simply because some astronauts have come forward saying they were common.


    Maybe the Apollo missions stopped because they caused insanity? They all start seeing alien spacecraft.
  11. tonia Registered Member

    Valentich UFO case or Valentich disappearance = Transcript of the transmissions (recently readed)
    The following is a transcript of the exchange between Valentich and air traffic control, from the first three pages of the Australian Department of Transport report.
    19:06:14 DSJ [Valentich]: Melbourne, this is Delta Seierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand ?
    FS [Flight Services; Robey] : Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.
    DS]: Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.
    19:06:44FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, and it seems to me like landing lights.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
    19:07:31 DSJ: Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

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    elta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed ?
    DSJ: Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity ?
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.
    19:08:18 DSJ: Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
    19:08:41 DSJ: (open microphone for two seconds.)
    19:08:48 DSJ

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    elta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speedds I could not identify
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level ?
    DSJ: My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft ?
    DSJ: Affirmative.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.
    19:09:27 DSJ: Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).
    19:09:42 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the - er - aircraft ?
    DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than if has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.
    19:10 FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's chasing me. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just now is orbiting on top of me also. It's got green light and sort of metallic like, its all shiny on the outside.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
    19:10:46 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet.
    19:11:00 DSJ: Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got ? Is it a military aircraft ?
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.
    DSJ: Say again.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
    19:11:50 DSJ : Delta Sierra Juliet, the enging is rough - idling.
    I've got it set a twenty three twenty-four and the thing is (coughing).
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions ?
    DSJ: My intentions are - ah_to go to King Island-ah-Melbourne. The strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for one second) it's not an aircraft.
    FS: Delta Sierra Juliet
    19:12:28 DSJ: Delta Sierra Juliet Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).
  12. river

    Two regulations you should know , about the reporting of UFO's from 1953

    From Richard M. Dolan's book , UFO's and the National Security State , pg. 136

    " The air force sought to clarify UFO reporting procedures with the issuance of AFR 200-2 on August 26, 1953 , which superseded AF 200-5 from the previous year . The order tightened UFO reporting and investigating procedures and further restricted the release of UFO information. It directed that all confirmed UFO reports be rushed electronically to air force intelligence. When possible , all tangible evidence would go to ATIC at Dayton "

    To view the regulation
  13. river

    Also look up JANAP-146 regulation to UFO reporting
  14. river

    For those who are interested there is NICAP , which formed in 1956 , civilian group made to challenge the air force on UFOs
  15. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    Odd indeed. There is no context and the audio doesn't sync with the video. Very thin.
    The Aldrin clip is intentionally edited to create the false impression given. It's a fabrication. A hoax. Aldrin did not believe that he saw an alien spacecraft.

    Mitchell....[shrug] He says he has or has seen 3rd party evidence. He doesn't provide any or say he has firsthand knowledge. Hearsay is not good enough.
  16. river

    Russ , you have to understand that under AFR rules 200-2 and JANAP-146 , punishment was severe , to speak out about UFOs


    But the interesting thing is that Mitchell read Richard M Dolan's book

    UFOs and the National Security State , Mitchell's comment on the front cover of the book

    " ....a through and monumental undertaking. "

    - Dr.Edgar Mitchell , Apollo 14 Astronaut
  17. leopold Valued Senior Member

    roscoe hillenkotter had this to say to congress in 1960:
    Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.

    hillenkotter was heavily involved in US intelligence and served as the first director of the CIA.
  18. river


    And Hillenkoetter became interested in NICAP and made public statements for the ending the secrecy of UFOs
  19. river

    I bought the book by Donald Keyhoe , The Flying saucers are real , to quote from this book , Author's Note

    " ON APRIL 27, 1949 , the US Air Force Stated :

    The mere existence of some yet unidentified flying objects necessitates a constant vigilance on the part of Project ' Saucer ' personnel and on the part of the civilian population.

    Answers have been - and will be - drawn from such factors as guided missile research activity , balloons , astronomical phenomena....But there are still question marks.

    Possibilities that the saucers are foreign aircraft have also been considered ....But observations based on nuclear power plant research in this country label as ' highly improbable ' the existence on Earth of engines small enough to have powered the saucers.

    Intelligent life on not impossible but is completely unproven. The possibility of intelligent life on the Planet Venus is not considered completely unreasonable by astronomers.

    The saucers are not jokes. Neither are the cause for alarm. "

    Interesting , especially the first and last statement by the Air Force
  20. river

    Further from this book from Donald Keyhoe

    " On December 27 , 1949 , the Air Force denied the existence of flying saucers "

    Which is interesting , one wonders why ?

    " On December 30 , 1949 , the Air Force revealed part of the secret Project "Saucer " reports to members of the press at Washington. The official report stated :

    It will never be possible to say with certainty that any individual did not see a space ship , an enemy missile , or some other object.

    Discussing the motives of possible visitors from space , the report also stated :

    Such a civilization might observe that on Earth we have now have atomic bombs and are fast developing rockets . In view of the past history of mankind , they should be alarmed . We should therefore expect at this time above all to behold such visitations . "

    WOW to the last statement
  21. river

    I quote from the older books , ( the book above was originally published in 1950 by Fawcett pub. ) because they give information at the beginning of the UFO problem

    In the case of the reality of UFOs one does have to start at the beginning of the phenomena and move forward
  22. river

    I have just got the book by Edward J. Ruppelt called THE REPORT ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS , 1956

    Former Head of the United States Air Force Project Investigating Flying Saucers ( complete and unabridged )

    Very first page



    More than 20% of all sightings are classified as " Unknowns " . These are objects seen in our skies that cannot be identified as balloons , man-made aircraft or meteors , that cannot be attributed to weather or atmospheric illusions. Neither can they be explained away as hoaxes or hallucinations . "


    In this meticulously documented book , Edward Ruppelt gives first hand quotes of the opinions of the top military brass , the most eminent scientists , and hundreds of reputable pilots. Study their comments carefully -the answers they come up with may well determine humanity's future. "

    An old book , in delicate condition really , but the importance of the book is for me very important , why though ?

    Because it was BEFORE the , shut your mouth policy that was beginning to be enforced , by 200-2 and JANAP
  23. Mazulu Banned Banned

    There are probably conservation of energy mechanisms within the fabric of space-time that, when tampered with (or expertly utilized), will produce intense short range gravity fields that could be used for superluminal travel to other star-systems. Forget the grays, someday there will be technically advanced primates flying around the galaxy and observing developing civilizations on other worlds. We will be the UFO's and the flying saucers for other worlds to watch in awe.

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