Good is an actual quality like water that we need to "drink"

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by MattMVS7, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Question; will there be a warning label of the expiration date where water loses its goodness and becomes bad?
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Science has progressed a lot though since then.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And done an excellent job in forcing us to buy clean water which used to me abundant, before we polluted the rivers, lakes and oceans.
    Water is neither good nor bad. It is made from H2O, a chemical molecule. Fortunately, due to their simple bonding qualities these molecules became explicated very early in the formation of the universe.

    Moreover the emotions of feeling good or bad are also chemical reactions which stimulate the brains pain or pleasure centers.
     
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  7. river

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    true , to your last statement .

    but to thinking beings , us Humans , good is an advanced attitude towards ourselves and others . instinct is for animals , amphibians and fish .
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Science hasn't polluted your water: the multi nationals in the main have. In fact science is at work cleaning up some of the rivers and waterways, at least in my country, and areas where once it was prohibited to swim or drink from, has been totally reversed.
     
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  9. river

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    science has polluted the water . multi-national mining companies have scientists and petroleum companies have scientists .

    now I agree that some science has cleaned up this mess . but not fully .

    but now lets clean up our industrial agriculture pollutants .

    as in the use of roundup for example
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. Science as a whole makes the discoveries, invents and models the theories. The possibility of nuclear fusion energy is good in itslef: Its the application of that scenario in a thermonuclear weapon that is bad.
    Science is without doubt good...Without science river, you would still be swinging in the trees. Some scientists though are questionable when they apply a particular science for less then a good cause. A box of matches when first invented was for a good purpose...But it can be used to promote fear and destruction also. In effect no sensible human being would ever vote for the abolishment of all science. Again It's how it is applied by humanity
     
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  11. river

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    you aren't wrong pad .

    just be more objective . don't think that scientist are pure innocent people , they are not .
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In essence, scientists are human river, and as humans, can also be less then perfect. That does not mean science is evil though, and you really need to be thankful [which in my heart of hearts, I believe you really are, despite the act you seem to put on here

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    ] for science and the fact that it is responsible for you being able to converse with me or anyone else on planet Earth for that matter with the proper scientific equipment. You could not do without science river, really!

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    as much as I have to drag you kicking and screaming to recognise that fact

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  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Most are...some certainly are not...as I said they are human. Science though, and the scientific methodology is why humanity is where it is today. If you were objective river, you would know that.
     
  14. river

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    where have I not been objective ?
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    by claiming I was not objective when I said...."Some scientists though are questionable when they apply a particular science for less then a good cause". at post 47
    and then claiming...
     
  16. river

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    so you think that all scientist have good intentions then
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    ??? Not sure how you get that interpretation from, "Some scientists though are questionable when they apply a particular science for less then a good cause"
    Is English your first language?
     
  18. river

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    so scientists that work in mining , petroleum and pharma are not all , angels .
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Did I say they were? But the same applies to the many agenda laden freaks that like to come on public science forums, claiming this or that is false, when they speak from a position of ignorance and simply trying to shore up their own nonsensical views of the world.
    But nice to see you recognise that science itself is worth whatever praise we as the human race can bestow upon it.
     
  20. river

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    you want every scientist to be angels
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    So, you also indulge in the non scientific nonsense of mind reading also?
    Particularly since I have stated my position. Or river, heaven forbid, are you trolling?
     
  22. river

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    you have no idea what science is really about .

    whats the difference between a scientist that knows and a research scientist ?
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I must admit I am not a scientist river, but all here know that. I do though have a reasonable idea as to what science is, despite your emotional outburst, and I'm aware of that by plenty of reading of reputable material.
    I'm also pretty darn good at working out the "pretenders" trolls, agenda laden anti science nuts from the real thing. I have shown that here many times.
     

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