God Must Exist;

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Jan Ardena, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    You might mean that the idea of God exists there, which doesn't mean God does.
     
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  3. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Yeah man I Am one lucky lucky bro . Antone ever bring up the idea god is spirit? Well not God for God is this six foot something German guy, but more the4 creator is spirit. You know like team spirit. School spirit! or Hope . like the last presidential election preached. Just a thought
     
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  5. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Atop the chain of cause, the food chain, or what is He the top of?

    Most claim He is at the bottom most place, creating all beyond.
     
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  7. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    All who exist now are fortunate, as well as all those come before.

    'Spirit': undefined symbol. Does not compute.
     
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    Are you a lone wolf or something. O.K. don't read Ted Kasinski's manifesto. Have you never connected in thought will someone. Like Minded, Your wife for example? Spirit !! Love
     
  9. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, in that 'spirit' is a real connection process to the real; however the word has other connotations, such as a new kind of magic material.
     
  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter how you put it.
    If God didn't exist, at least in the mind, you would be able
    to forget Him.

    I don't think you can, or will ever be able to.

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  11. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it matters. Imagination doesn't guarantee truth.

    Nor is 'forgetting' a criteria.
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How does it matter?

    It may or may not be true to some, but it exists.
    Everything we can imagine contains some aspect of truth,
    it is impossible to imagine something which completely does not
    exist.

    jan.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't. The concept may exist in someone's head but that is not the same as the thing itself existing.

    Really? Please show how this is true in any meaningful way.

    And this.

    The last two appear to be complete suppositions.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Dywyddyr,

    I didn't say it exists in someones head.

    No.
    But, can you give me an example of something that contains not one element of truth?


    Prove me wrong.

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    I will accept it.

    jan.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, that's not what YOU said.
    On the other hand where does something that is imagined exist if not in someone's head?

    It depends what you mean by "not one element of truth" (i.e. back to my "in any meaningful way" comment). If I imagine you as a drug-dealer with 57 illegitimate children and an FBI record for murder how much of that is "truthful"?

    You made the claim. Or are you claiming that the FSM, unicorns and the like do exist? Superman is real? Where was the first-ever jet plane before one was imagined and then built?
     
  16. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    huh? what?
    are you saying that thoughts and imagination doesn't exist?

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  17. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Of course thoughts and imaginings can exist, but they are not necessarily of what can really exist.

    One can imagine giant redwood trees sprouting angel wings and flying around the world but doesn't mean that they can.
     
  18. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    thoughts and imagination really exist and they exist in the real world unless you live in an unreal world.

    i imagine giant redwoods sprouting wings and flying.

    it's just semantics sciwriter. the key word here is tangible.
    thoughts and imaginations are real but not tangible.
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    The thought is real, but is the subject of the thought real?
     
  20. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, thoughts and imagination are real and tangible, as real brain operations, but what they are about or represent does not have to exist in nature.
     
  21. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    are you really for real?
    i wish you would take that cobra off your head, you're making me nervous
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yup.
    The subject of a thought is about as real as the subject of a painting - or maybe less so.

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  23. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    uh oh, now you've done it.
    correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you just state my thoughts of a flying redwood is an actual object?
    this is great news! now i can think of all kinds of things into existence.
     

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