God is an impossible object.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. river Valued Senior Member

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    I hope that these children learn to question .
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Obviously, most do not.

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  5. river Valued Senior Member

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    That is where we need parents to encourage , questioning .
     
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  7. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, most will not, as long as they believe without proof & feel compelled to compel their children to believe it without proof.

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  8. river Valued Senior Member

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    True

    abrahamic gods , is a ancient understanding . And is throughly misunderstood .

    But a god or source , I perfer source . Is quite clear to me .

    god is not an object but a pervading intellegence which is in all things .
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    maybe there is a god or at least a demigod of some sort. it's peculiar that many who believe in a fundamental god tend to be the nastiest, most corrupt, devious, immoral and exceptionally base. they also seem to be very comfortable and have an obnoxious sense of protection and power they abuse with impunity as if they know they the unseen powers that be are on their side.

    i've had examples of people like that in my life experience and it's creepy what they seem to know and embody and even worse, what protects them and gives them power to do as they please.
     
  10. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You are saying a mouthful, on how bad we are . I know my father helped people even putting its family in danger during the war ll, he give the needy , I follow to someway his steps . I know there some people take advantage of charitable people . I am sort curious of your experience , I wonder how old you are , the indication is a long experience in life.
     
  11. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    I believe God is responsible for the creation of all possible good, and also, therefore, all evil. However with the act of "evil" comes also the possibility of it's reversal.

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    Hence evil is neccessary in the world.
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Good and evil are value judgements hence not ABSOLUTE
    They sit a arbitrary distance apart (which can be increased or decreased by arbitrary degrees) by others or even the person who set the original scale

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    My imagination as to the various values look like this ball (maybe with a few more bumps). Give 100 people a ball and ask each to label every bump with a good number or bad number
    It would be extremely rare if two balls were the same
    Even rarer if bumps given same good bad values

    Not sure you can undo bad evil deeds, or good deeds, making them reversible unless you have a time machine and that is not going to happen

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  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I believe the evil comes from " I want ". I need is biological and it can be satisfied by nature's abundance. I want is emotional.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do you, Tim, "need" access to the internet? Is it provided by nature's abundance?

    I don't think your definition holds up.
     
  15. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Desire is, I've been told, the cause of pain and suffering. As for God being an impossible object, I don't know. Maybe it is beyond our comprehension and can't be captured by our narrow perception. I think of the ants on the pavement, oblivious to my presence. They simply do their thing. If I place my foot in their path, they walk over it and move forward.
     
  16. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    Actually morality is absolute! Murder is wrong because the victim cannot reflect the crime. ☺
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, a lion is wrong to kill a gazelle because the gazelle cannot kill the lion back?
    How ... subjective.
     
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  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Murder is unlawful or unjustified killing. Saying murder is wrong is redundant.

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  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    You wouldn't murder someone performing a horrifically bad deed? You would I guess you would be relying on this type of definition

    Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought. This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter

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    Actually by defining murder would indicate morality is absolute is totally incorrect. Simple change of definition which changes the law and bingo murder could become all the rage

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  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    We use current definitions to say anything. If we depend on the possibility of definitions changing then nothing is true or valid.

    If I happen upon a rape & the only or best way to stop it is to kill the rapist, it is not murder. Same with a child abduction & many other crimes.
    No so with some crimes tho, such as petty theft.

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