Globalization, good or bad?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Undecided, Mar 14, 2004.

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Globalization is...

  1. Good

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  2. Bad

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  3. Other (please explain this position)

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  1. travis Registered Senior Member

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    Even if they were falsified, they were written 100 years ago and disclose the motives, means opportunity, modus operandi and modus agendi of organized Jewry. Whomever wrote them must have known these things very well to have predicted the future as well as he has.

    What proof do you have that 5.2 million Jews died in WW2?
    Covert domination by Jews is a relative thing. The power has increased exponentially with the advances in mass media.

    Wars of ideas: Almost all the ideas we are exposed to come from Jews; Marx, Engels, Rand, Rothbard, Mises, Freud, 98% of feminists and economists. They have been the promoters of communism, extreme capitalism, materialism, pornography, race mixing (for gentiles), homosexuality, all the Middle East wars America has been involved in, The Bolshevik revolution and "globalization". They have been the prime movers of ideas in general since the inception of print media.

    As for the who-rules-america page, I'll concede that it's not the greatest work I've ever read, but there is limited writing available on this subject. Although the author made statements that are untestable, at least he has demonstated that the Jews control the mass media and you have not attempted to disprove it.
    I don't read the Koran or Old Testament because I'm an athiest. I have not found or experienced anything from those religions that I find anywhere as offensive and threatening as Talmudism.
     
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  3. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    "at least he has demonstated that the Jews control the mass media and you have not attempted to disprove it."

    Thats because his statements are broad and useless in the extreme as testable hypotheses. Get back to me when you have the minutes of "the jewish cabal to take over the world" group.

    "What proof do you have that 5.2 million Jews died in WW2?"

    You are seriously on a different planet. Presumably thousands of eye witness testimonys, let alone the remains of millions, the paper records associated with the removal of all these people, the very death camps they were killed in just done count.


    "Whomever wrote them must have known these things very well to have predicted the future as well as he has. "

    No, they made them up. Cant you get it into you head, that as fictional documents, they do not have to be based upon reality?

    "Almost all the ideas we are exposed to come from Jews"

    hey, your making a good case for jews actually being superior. Presumably you havnt paid any attention to the non jews. Oh, looks like you havnt. Was Jung a jew? Or Keynes? Or Smith? Or Stalin? Jews promote homosexuality? i can point you in the direction of several homosexuals on this forum wholl categorically deny that "jews" promote homosexuality. Instead, theyll say its homosexuals that do.

    Just go away and get a life. Or go join Al Aqsa or something, then youd get to kill jews for real.
     
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  5. travis Registered Senior Member

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    How is it untestable? All you have to do is look for disproportion in the number of Jewish CEO's, editors, directors etc.. You can also test the strategic value of a media monoploy or near monopoly.
    Then why will they not debate it?

    http://www.codoh.com/

    Why do they get laws passed to prevent anyone from debating it?
    In any case they are extremely prophetic and excellent reading.
    Yes I do. They are the Master Race.
    Jung was a Jew. Stalin may have been, he changed his name from a Jewish sounding one.
    With their Hollywood/mass media empire, they have been a prime mover of ideas. They have portrayed homosexuals as victims and given it legitimacy.
    I might go away, but reality won't. You might as well confront reality directly and logically, it's far better than denial.
     
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  7. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    Well, lets see. Firstly, what would a study of blacks and hispanics in the upper echelons of hollywood or say american business corps show? That they arent very well represented?

    "Why do they get laws passed to prevent anyone from debating it?"
    Most arguments about this ive come across, what has happened is the jews and suporters got fed up trying to batter facts into peoples skulls. they hardly need a law to support it, but if you only allow sensible laws to be considered, the gvt would be redundant.

    'They have portrayed homosexuals as victims and given it legitimacy."

    Presumably youve read the old testament? Where it hints and talks about homosexuals being evil?

    Anyway, your version of reality is clearly so different from mine is no use talking about it any more.
     
  8. SLWK Registered Member

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    The theory of comparative advantage illustrates that the opposite will make every country worse off -- even those countries that are large enough to be self sufficient.
     
  9. mrpyrex Registered Member

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    hey persol gave you been playing too much zelda? its just your little symbol looks a little masonic, which would help explain why your so favorable to the idea, and zelda's the only other place ive seen it.
    if not then never mind. but anyway globalization in my opinion is the absolute worst thing that can ever happen so my vote is no. with the people that are running the show running it like they are, we are all screwed. badly. look at howmany people in the country,(u.s.), that are so oblivious to what is acually going on. by the time every one gets their heads disslodged from their asses our environment is going to colapse just in time to bitch slap the piss out of em.
    sure some cultures and communities arent efected by the elite, but i bet you a million bucks they will be once theyre exposed to it. there is always greedy people that will want to be apart of the elite and those people are at the top of their communities. its great that they dont care who gets screwed as long as they got fat pockets. the more people there are the less freedom i get so fu*k globalization.
     
  10. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    Although I don't beleive in evil Jewish conspiracies or ZOG, Travis' conclusions are correct. Much of the problems we face today are direct consequence of middle eastern religions.

    Judeo-Christianity is an otherworldly religion. It's reasoning is not found in the empirical world but in abstractions with no objective grounding. JC dualizes reality into concepts of good and evil, meaningless and unnatural labels. Christians preach the importance of forgetting 'wordly' matters, removing man from nature (the satanic element). When religion broke down during the industrial revolution, pure pragmatism took over, creating a vacuum for mindless materialism without any concern for cultural continuity or environmental preservation. These religions are nihilism. I would also point out that Jews really are very nepotistic and highly ethnocentric, meaning they have the same intents as a community.
     
  11. certified psycho Beware of the Shockie Monkey Registered Senior Member

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    For reason at all here a defination of Globalization I found at a site.
    Question: What is the truest definition of Globalization?

    Answer: Princess Diana's death.

    Question: How come?

    Answer: An English princess with an Egyptian boyfriend crashes in a French tunnel, driving a German car with a Dutch engine, driven by a Belgian who was drunk on Scottish whiskey, followed closely by Italian Paparazzi, on Japanese motorcycles, treated by an American doctor, using Brazilian medicines!And this is sent to you by an American, using Bill Gates' technology Which he enjoyed stealing from the Japanese. And you are probably reading this on one of the IBM clones that use Taiwanese-made chips, and Korean-made monitors, assembled by Bangladeshi workers in a Singapore plant, transported by lorries driven by Indians, hijacked by Indonesians, unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen, trucked by Mexican illegal aliens, and finally sold to you.

    That, my friend, is Globalization! Finally, an explanation in English

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  12. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    Good one psycho! I don't think anyone will argue that globalization has not occurred.

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  13. Blazin_billy Registered Senior Member

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    As long as its not a totalitarian government, its a good thing
     
  14. mhallex Registered Member

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    Globalization is, IMHO, neither bad nor good.

    Free trade is a good thing, allows for folks to get jobs and for consumers to get cheap goods. If we could get the western gov'ts to cut agricultural subsidies we could see a lot more growth in places like Africa.

    Economic liberaliztion is a good thing, but it needs to be a controlled and gradual process. GO to fast and you pull an Argentina. But as Japan and South Korea have shown, its possible to become a real economic power with a liberal, open economy.

    I cant remember what issue it was, but Foreign Polciy magaize did a intresting little article on how small nations could use globalization to their advantage to perserve their cultures and identity. A bit counter-intutive buts thats why it was an intresting article.

    I'll have to look for that link...
     
  15. Undecided Banned Banned

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    I'll have to look for that link...

    Welcome to sci mhallex and please do find that article if you can, that would be greatly appreciated.
     
  16. sunshinebebe Registered Member

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    hey you i was wondering if you could help me on an essay on canadian foreign aid?

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    ..it would be awesome if you could..anyways get back to me...ciao!
     
  17. vodooeconomist Registered Member

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    I think that globalization is good for those economies who are already open and friendly to international markets. But on the other hand, it is devestation for the many LDCs who are just starting to experience the joys of stable capitalist economics, but are being undercut by already established economies in other countries that produce the same goods as they (the LDCs) do, but for cheaper. I would guess that developing countries will soon start to mount anti-globalization sentiment inside the UN and the WTO, so they can build their economies up at some expense to the already developed economies.
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Article link - BBC

    Article Source: BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/
    Article Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3755375.stm
    Article Title: "Trade 'not easing' poor's plight," by Imogen Foulkes
    Article Date: May 27, 2004

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    None really, at this time. This is one of those superficial ideas that isn't nearly as simple as it seems. Mostly FYI.
     
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  19. Undecided Banned Banned

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    But note that the UN did not condemn globalization; it maintains that it is a positive force if used correctly:

    The whole process needs to be clarified and national and international trade policies co-ordinated so that trade can truly become an instrument for relieving poverty.

    Trade is an instrument to relieve poverty, and it has been doing that in states like India, and China. This process is going to take decades to actually start working. Note that the countries mentioned: Angola, Sudan, Cambodia and Yemen were all fmr. Socialist states (except for Sudan, which is now ruled by Islamists) were based on the Soviet model. They haven't had the same amount of time to change successfully into fully functioning capitalist states. Also they don't have nearly enough FDI to make them relevant states to accurately represent Globalization. LDC’s will benefit from the growth of the 3rd world’s economies when they start investing in their own “Banana Republics”.
     
  20. talk2farley Registered Senior Member

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    Globalization is both inevitable and a Good Thing. The capitalist economy relies on new markets. As new markets open up, established corporations move in, exploit the available resources, and return the finished product to their wealthy host nations. However, as a consequence of this exploitation, an industrial and economic infrastructure is established which, over time, allows the new market to mature and grow wealthy, becoming itself an old market.

    This in turn brings higher standards of living, and conversely higher operating costs, driving employers to seek new markets elsewhere. And thus the cycle continues, self perpetuating.

    Without a frontier market for the economy to expand into, it will stagnate. Operating costs continuously grow at a rate directly proportional to the local standard of living (because a higher standard of living necesitates higher wages and better jobs to sustain itself). Which means, eventually and without a new market, the standard of living must plateau or even regress to accomodate cheaper production and preserve the industrial base.

    As for those who argue that there will one day be no "new markets," bringing an end to the capitalist system, you underestimate both the integrity of the open market and the human penchant for unfettered expansion. There will always be exploitable regions. Even assumeing a theoretical geographic limit (the world), once the entire globe has benefited from globalization and exploitation, the definition of "new market" will shift. That is, our notion of an impoverished, cheap labor force will change from, say, present day Chinese living conditions to, say, present day Canadian living expenses. To accomodate this, prices and inflation will have to go up, and the growth rates will have to go down, of course. And to allow for such drastic economic change, the social regulations which old markets are so fond of to protect their higher standards of living will have to be rolled back. But this is acceptable.
     
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  21. talk2farley Registered Senior Member

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    "What proof do you have that 5.2 million Jews died in WW2?"

    For proof of Jewish deaths in WW2, see the thread on this same subject in the Religion forum. For the record, it shames me that anyone could graduate high school and demand such things.

    "have been the promoters of communism, extreme capitalism, materialism, pornography, race mixing (for gentiles), homosexuality, all the Middle East wars America has been involved in, The Bolshevik revolution and 'globalization'."

    Promoting "race mixing," regardless of whether one can logically suggest such assertions came from a single ethnic group, is a bad thing?

    Jews are the promoters of extreme capitalism, eh? You mention Rand, which leads me to believe your not much of a student of hers. Reality is, she was a philosopher. Capitalism was a part of her philosophy, but what she proposed was a Guide to Life. Were the true capitalists (Smith, Locke, et al) Jews?

    Its unfortunate that the same ethnic group that proposed the Bolshevik revolution were both its scapegoat and greatest victim.

    The earliest confirmed instances of pornography date back to the earliest human civilizations. And predate Judaism.

    "at least he has demonstated that the Jews control the mass media and you have not attempted to disprove it. "

    It certainly is true that, of the top ten media institutions in the United States, seven are operated by Jewish Chief Executives. However, this still puts you a loooong way from establishing that they somehow "control the mass media." And for the record, the burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders. The inability to disprove an assertion is not evidence for the validity of that assertion. Not that Im suggesting thats the case here.

    "I don't read the Koran or Old Testament because I'm an athiest. I have not found or experienced anything from those religions that I find anywhere as offensive and threatening as Talmudism."

    You explain that you haven't read the Jewish, Islamic, or Christian holy books, and then go on to conclude that you haven't found anything of merit (or offsense) within. Well no sh*t Sherlock. It's hard to find the buried treasure without digging the hole. I find it quite amusing that one can find "Talmudism," or Orthodox Judaism, threatening without heaving read the Talmud nor the Old Testament. What, exactly, scares you so? Your own ignorance?
     
  22. travis Registered Senior Member

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    Talk2farley,
    The promotion of race-mixing, regardless of whether or not you like it, has strategic value.
    Racial purity serves a purpose. It enables a group of people to unite against those who might oppose them and do so with some degree of loyalty and little probability of infiltration. This is precisely why organized Jewry promotes it for gentiles and not for themselves.

    Perhaps some of the original promoters of capitalism were not Jews, but the current promoters of almost all ideas are almost always Jewish. This has been true for 50+ years. They play both sides. Divide and conquer. During their era of media dominance, they have been the major prime movers of ideas.

    If you agree with my assertions about Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik revolution, how can you call them scapegoats? How can you call them the greatest victims of it when they systematically starved millions of Hungarians?

    To understand media control, you need to have a grasp of the dynamics of power. It is quite easy to control the mass media just by having CEO's in place. Virtually all the major networks in the US are Jewish controlled. Not 80%, not 90%.....ALL. What better way to keep secrets and influence politicians and elections. They have simply circumvented Democracy. They have the power of suggestion, scrutiny, censorship and smear. Having positioned themselves this way is a smoking gun. This has enabled them to forment wars as desired as recent examples show.

    Here are some Tamudic quotes, does Christianity, Hinduism, Islam or Buddism have scriptures as psycopathic as this?



    Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggest Christians have sex relations with animals.

    Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspect Christians of intercourse with animals.

    Iore Dea (198, 48). -- Clean female jews contaminated meeting Christians.

    Kerithuth (6b p. 78) -- jews called men, Christians not called men.

    Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christian.

    Orach Chaiim(225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for comparisons.

    Midrasch Talpioth 225 -- Christians created to minister to jews always.

    Orach Chaiim 57, 6a -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.

    Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses.

    Kethuboth (110b). -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.

    Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse of Christian like that of beast.

    Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of Christian is valued as seed of beast.

    Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.

    Eben Haezar (44,8) -- Marriages between Christian and jews null.

    Zohar (II, 64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.

    Zohar (I, 28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve¹s serpent.

    Zohar (I, 131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.

    Emek Haschanach(17a) -- Non-jews¹ souls come from death and death¹s shadow.

    Zohar (I, 46b, 47a) -- Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.

    Rosch Haschanach(17a) -- Non-jews souls go down to hell.

    Iore Dea (337, 1). -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.

    Iebhammoth (61a) -- jews called men, but not Christians called men.

    Abhodah Zarah (14b) T -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians

    Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.

    Iore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches.

    Iore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols

    Iore Dea (143, 1) -- Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.

    Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) -- jews must not resell broken chalices to Christians.

    Chullin (91b) -- jews possess dignity even an angel cannot share.

    Sanhedrin, 58b -- To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.

    Chagigah, 15b -- A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.

    Gittin (62a) -- Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.

    Choschen Ham. (26,1) -- Jew must not sue before a Christian judge or laws.

    Choschen Ham (34,19) -- Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.

    Iore Dea (112, 1). -- Avoid eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.

    Abhodah Zarah (35b) -- Do not drink milk from a cow milked by Christian.

    Iore dea (178, 1) -- Never imitate customs of Christians, even hair-comb.

    Abhodah Zarah (72b) -- Wine touched by Christians must be thrown away.

    Iore Dea (120, 1) -- Bought-dishes from Christians must be thrown away.

    Abhodah Zarah (2a) -- For three days before Christian festivals, avoid all.

    Abhodah Zarah (78c) -- Festivals of followers of Jesus regarded as idolatry.

    Iore Dea (139, 1) -- Avoid things used by Christians in their worship.

    Abhodah Zarah (14b) -- Forbidden to sell Christians articles for worship.

    Iore Dea (151,1) H. -- Do not sell water to Christians articles for baptisms.

    Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) -- Do not trade with Christians on their feast days.

    Abhodah Zarah (1,2) -- Now permitted to trade with Christians on such days.

    Abhodah Zarah (2aT) -- Trade with Christians because they have money to pay.

    Iore Dea (148, 5) -- If Christian is not devout, may send him gifts.

    Hilkoth Akum (IX,2) -- Send gifts to Christians only if they are irreligious.

    Iore Dea (81,7 Ha) -- Christian wet-nurses to be avoided because dangerous.

    Iore Dea (153, 1 H) -- Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.

    Iore Dea (155,1). -- Avoid Christian doctors not well known to neighbors.

    Peaschim (25a) -- Avoid medical help from idolators, Christians meant.

    Iore Dea (156,1) -- Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by jews.

    Abhodah Zarah (26a). -- Avoid Christian midwives as dangerous when alone.

    Zohar (1,25b) -- Those who do good to Christians never rise when dead.

    Hilkoth Akum (X,6) -- Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.

    Iore Dea (148, 12H) -- Hide hatred for Christians at their celebrations.

    Abhodah Zarah (20a) -- Never praise Christians lest it be believed true.

    Iore Dea (151,14) -- Not allowed to praise Christians to add to glory.

    Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) -- Quote Scriptures to forbid mention of Christian god.

    Iore Dea (146, 15) -- Refer to Christian religious articles with contempt.

    Iore Dea (147,5) -- Deride Christian religious articles without wishes.

    Hilkoth Akum (X,5) -- No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.

    Iore Dea (151,11) -- Gifts forbidden to Christians, encourages friendship.

    Iore Dea (335,43) -- Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.

    Iore Dea (154,2) -- Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian

    Babha Bathra (54b) -- Christian property belongs to first person claiming.

    Choschen Ham(183,7) -- Keep what Christian overpays in error.

    Choschen Ham(226,1) -- Jew may keep lost property of Christian found by Jew.

    Babha Kama (113b) -- It is permitted to deceive Christians.

    Choschen Ham(183,7) -- jews must divide what they overcharge Christians.

    Choschen Ham(156,5) -- jews must not take Christian customers from jews.

    Iore Dea (157,2) H -- May deceive Christians that believe Christian tenets.

    Abhodah Zarah (54a) --Usury may be practiced upon Christians or apostates.

    Iore Dea (159,1) -- Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.

    Babha Kama (113a) -- Jew may lie and perjur to condemn a Christian.

    Babha Kama (113b) -- Name of God not profaned when lying to Christians.

    Kallah (1b, p.18) -- Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.

    Schabbouth Hag. (6d). -- jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.

    Zohar (1,160a). -- jews must always try to deceive Christians.

    Iore Dea (158,1) -- Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.

    Orach Cahiim (330,2) -- Do not assist Christian¹s childbirth on Saturday.

    Choschen Ham.(425,5) -- Unless believes in Torah do not prevent his death.

    Iore Dea (158,1) -- Christians not enemies must not be saved either.

    Hilkkoth Akum (X,1) -- Do not save Christians in danger of death.

    Choschen Ham(386,10) -- A spy may be killed even before he confesses.

    Abhodah Zorah (26b) -- Apostates to be thrown into well, not rescued.

    Choschen Ham(388,15) -- Kill those who give Israelites¹ money to Christians

    Sanhedrin (59a) -- 'Prying into jews¹ "Law" to get death penalty

    Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) -- Baptized jews are to be put to death

    Iore Dea(158,2)Hag. -- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.

    Choschen Ham(425,5) -- Those who do not believe in Torah are to be killed.

    Hilkhoth tesch.III,8 -- Christians and others deny the "Law" of the Torah.

    Zohar (I,25a) -- Christians are to be destroyed as idolators.

    Zohar (II,19a) -- Captivity of jews end when Christian princes die.

    Zohar (I,219b) -- Princes of Christians are idolators, must die.

    Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.

    Abhodah Zarah(26b) T. -- "Even the best of the Goim should be killed."

    Sepher Or Israel 177b -- If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.

    Ialkut Simoni (245c) -- Shedding blood of impious offers sacrifice to God.

    Zohar (II, 43a) -- Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.

    Zohar (L,28b,39a) -- High place in heaven for those who kill idolators.

    Hilkhoth Akum(X,1) -- Make no agreements and show no mercy to Christians
     
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    Isn't globalization a new word for colonialism?

    The fact is that the western economy depends on inequality between the 'western world' and the 'rest'. There can be no fair relationship. Basically the economic muscle of the western world has to dominate the entire world in order to give us our consumer society. Interestingly the 'defense' budget of the US is used to inforce globalization where necessary. 'If you don't like the rules imposed by the west you will suffer' is the basic message/rule of globalization.
     

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