Genetic Memory

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  1. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Very very doubtful

    From my understanding of the structure of the brain neurones they form a very complex web

    There are areas within the structure which deal with certain aspects of stimuli

    However damage to these areas can cause other parts of the brain to a take over those functions

    How successful that works out depends on a myriad of factors

    With something like a circuit board it might be possible to redesign the configuration to shorten pathways to speed up processing

    The brain is a self organising structure with the ability to rearrange its pathways on the go depending what varying input arrives and what importance the brain, along with other body systems controlled by the brain, makes of the inputs

    If it was made into a fixed configuration to accommodate certain stimuli I would contend the loss of flexibility would be detrimental

    If flexibility was not affected then I contend the fixed configuration would not last long

    It ain't broke

    Don't try to fix it

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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Dup
     
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  5. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    A woman cannot transmit any acquired knowledge. She is born with all of her ova. When sexually mature, most women women release one ovum per month, with the ovaries alternately. Some women release an ovum from each ovary every month, which can result in non-identical twins. Identical twins are created if a fertilized ovum divides.

    I do not believe there is any path between the brain & the testicles which would allow acquired knowledge to pass from the brain to the sperm cells. If there were such a path, it seems absurd to believe that the sperm has any mechanism to allow it to access such knowledge. A sperm cell is a simple entity, while acquired knowledge in the brain is maintained in a network of cells, not in a single cell.
     
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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    How about the notochord from which the brain is formed is developed earlier then the testicles or any other organ , would that mean whatever will be the brain structure is programed is first.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    No

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  9. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    No, what ? What do you know, be specific
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    would that mean whatever will be the brain structure is programed is first

    You didn't have question mark but to this implied question the answer is no

    If you like to go the long way around I can start by asking you

    What do think a memory is composed of?

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  11. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    To me is an organized pattern of experiences layers in the brain stacked like discs related to time, Oldest on the bottom fresh one on top and are connected into a main avenue.
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OK I can go with that

    Now pick any particular memory

    Any memory will do but just as a example think of the first time you can remember yourself riding a bike

    Does that memory in your mind resemble a photo or a segment of a movie?
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I just remember the bike , It was in Austria , in a village called Asten,in a refuge camp the bike I was about 7 years old, it was a adult male bike . When you mentioned bike and first time , it flashed in my mind were I was and how I did it , I could not reached but there is a way that you do not go on the frame , but underneath the frame an pedal The year was 1943.
    So this tells a stimulus was provided and the experience was dramatic, so the memory flashed.
     
  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    1943 I was 1 but I don't remember

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    OK was your memory a

    still photo or a

    short movie or even a

    short bursts of stills?

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  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    There was sort of a serie of photo
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OK thanks

    Mine was more a short movie

    I can see myself on the bike and the saddle being held to keep me upright

    I asked that person was I doing OK

    When I didn't get any answer I looked back to seeing them some distance Beck

    And promptly fell down

    Anyway that memory of mine and I suspect your would have been scattered throughout the brain and reconstructed via chemical changes and electrical fireings through a whole host of neurones

    How the movie was stored

    How it was reconstructed

    How the movie (and in your case a series of photos)

    All unknowns

    What the proponents of genetic memory are saying is that your set of still photos and my movie

    can be distilled down

    inserted into DNA

    reconstructed to provide offspring your memory

    Never going to happen

    And bear in mind that is only one memory out of millions

    There would also be all the forgotten memories like what did you eat 17 days and 3 hours ago

    Savants hint at much more is stored in the brain which we do not access easily

    Then there is a problem of which memories should be uploaded to the DNA

    Can the memory be extended?

    My movie is between 5 and 10 seconds

    Sometimes I remember a bit before the riding

    Sometimes a bit after

    But I can't remember the whole day

    Is the whole day in there?

    Hope I have put my case for the no adequately

    Cheers

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  17. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I see no remarks refuting the following from my Post #103
    The remarks in bold above seem to me to tell the correct story, namely that acquired knowledge cannot be genetically passed on to offspring.
     
  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I thought my NO covered it but I think your explanation imparted much more information

    Love the part about a

    "I do not believe there is any path between the brain & the testicles"

    Reminded me of the dictum

    god gave us two brains but only enough blood to use one at a time

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  19. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Say, appears no-go from father to child. But this argument won't work for mother to child.
     
  20. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    There is NO such animal as

    genetic memory

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  21. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Pl read the OP again. Its a discussion, you have made your point. But unfortunately your point is not backed up by any solid argument. You have trivialized the issue.
     
  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Read the original post

    The issue is trivial

    So trivial it does not exist

    From a preview post of mine with minor changes

    My memory of my first bike ride was more a short movie

    I can see myself on the bike and the saddle being held to keep me upright

    I asked that person was I doing OK

    When I didn't get any answer I looked back to seeing them some distance back

    And promptly fell down

    Anyway that memory of mine and I suspect yours would have been scattered throughout the brain and reconstructed via chemical changes and electrical fireings through a whole host of neurones

    How the movie was stored

    How it was reconstructed

    How the movie (and in your case a series of photos)

    All unknowns

    What the proponents of genetic memory are saying is that your set of still photos and my movie

    can be distilled down

    inserted into DNA

    reconstructed to provide offspring your memory

    Never going to happen

    And bear in mind that is only one memory out of millions

    There would also be all the forgotten memories like what did you eat 17 days and 3 hours ago

    Savants hint at much more is stored in the brain which we do not access easily

    Then there is a problem of which memories should be uploaded to the DNA

    Can the memory be extended?

    My movie is between 5 and 10 seconds

    Sometimes I remember a bit before the riding

    Sometimes a bit after

    But I can't remember the whole day

    Is the whole day in there?

    Do you think the whole day can be passed down genetically?

    Or any other aspects of memory?

    Really???

    Who, or more accurately, what process picks what memory should be passed on?

    Or what part of what memory?

    Hope I have put my

    NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN


    case adequately

    I am to lazy to again go to all my references which is why I have not quoted any of them

    Hope to see you put how

    genetic memory would be possible

    soon

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  23. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you so negative about it? Its not my pet investment, so chill.

    The question for you is when the baby is out, what is memory content? Or take it couple of months back in the womb, just when the brain functionality is fully developed, what's the memory content?
     

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