Genetic Memory

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by The God, Mar 12, 2017.

  1. The God Valued Senior Member

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    I have read (no first hand encounter) about few people who had some memory of their past life.

    If that is true and assuming that it is true...then it suggests that such acquired memory can be transferred to next generation. May be those people got it just by accident and one day would we be able to decipher such accidental mechanism and master this memory transfer.

    Can we foresee a child...a computer whizkid on his birth?
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    It suggests some people will believe anything

    Sounds very like those people would also believe that medication diluted to such an extent that you would be lucky to find one atom of the medication in any dose issued

    The explanation of the pedlers of this rubbish claim the water has memory which explains why it works

    If if if water has memory why doesn't it remember the salts from the bladder it passed through?

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  5. The God Valued Senior Member

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    The OP is not meant to discuss that.

    Is it possible that acquired memory with no restrain can be genetically transferred?
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    No
     
  8. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    This is not science, you put this in the wrong section. Reported to move this to the correct section.
     
  9. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Why this is not science?

    The information passes from one generation to the next generation. The question is whether acquired memory (type of information) can somehow reach sperm or egg cells and thus pass on to next generation.

    PS: if you can make some positive contribution, then you are most welcome. Otherwise please desist from derailing my threads, let the Mods decide what is science and what is not.
     
  10. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I opened this thread in hopes that it really was about genetic memory, like the ability of a bird to make a nest that is identical to others of its species without learning how.
    Instead I read 'memories from a past life'. Pffft.
     
  11. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Then you shd read the OP again.

    Pl see the link below. If something acquired can be transmitted then further research can create a software whizkid.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25156510
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I checked the link provided

    The example given seems to indicate a chemical change being made to the DNA

    I consider this to be a long stretch to call it (the chemical change) memory

    It has been shown when persons indulge in chemical experimentation changes are made to brain structure

    Sperm cells are also affected

    The now defective sperm does produce defective children

    Again this is not considered memory

    I have never heard or read about the memory of someone affecting changes to sperm

    While my time spent working with mentally ill patients who recalled past lives was brief I do know that of all of the cases which could be reasonable fact checked none past

    So I am confident my no answer stands correct and you can add for good measure I am confident none of the 7 + billion of the Earth's population have had a past life or have acquired memories from their parents or any ancestors going all the way back to Mr and Mrs Blob

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  13. rpenner Fully Wired Staff Member

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    Some people are dubious of reported effect.
    Some people find the results statistically anomalous so are dubious of the methodology.
    I found no replication studies yet published so this is the work of just one team.

    http://www.nature.com/news/fearful-memories-haunt-mouse-descendants-1.14272
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2014/10/16/inherited-too-good-to-be-true/
    http://www.genetics.org/content/198/2/449

    “How could the findings of Dias and Ressler (2014) have been so positive with such low odds of success? Perhaps there were unreported experiments that did not agree with the theoretical claims; perhaps the experiments were run in a way that improperly inflated the success and type I error rates, which would render the statistical inferences invalid. Researchers can unintentionally introduce these problems with seemingly minor choices in data collection, data analysis, and result interpretation. Regardless of the reasons, too much success undermines reader confidence that the experimental results represent reality.”
     
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  14. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Let us not vouch for anything dubious. Is there any concrete argument that such acquired memory cannot be transferred through genetic means?
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    You would not consider this from your original post

    as being dubious???

    I doubt very much such argument would take place for the simple reason no one would be prepared to argue such a proposition

    If you have EVIDENCE the MEMORY of someone affecting physical structure of sperm and that the change in structure translates into a memory in a subsequent offspring please share

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  16. The God Valued Senior Member

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    The idea is take the cue and explore the possibility. Is it scientifically impossible? Is it violative of some principle?
     
  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I would contend yes

    I would put forward the proposition that the memory of someone is a nebulas structure of chemical reactions mixed with a complexity of electrical impulses

    For such a complex system to affect the sperm
    the change to the sperm survive followed by
    blending with a ova followed by
    imprinting of the change into a offsprings brain followed by
    the change reverting back to the original complexity of the memory
    scientifically impossible

    You should also consider that senerio only addresses one moment of a static memory

    Remembering activities of a so called past life increase the impossibility

    Consider also at any time such that a senerio could occur any memory activity AFTER the change to sperm must be excluded from offspring memory

    Which makes claims of such recall bunkum

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  18. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Are you familiar with process of methylation, acetylation of certain region of the DNA in works of epigenetics , The DNA is not modified from one generation to the next , but the Methyl or acetylene group migth pasess from one generation and the DNA does not get modificated
     
  19. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Michael345

    Its all the way chemistry. There is no doubt some information is transferred to next generation. The question is about acquired memory, say some skill acquired.

    To understand it properly we must know, how the acquired memory is stored, how it can be transmitted to sperm or egg if at all, and what is the state of memory of newborn. Is the memory part of brain is blank for a new born (discount what all picked up before delivery)?
     
  20. karenmansker HSIRI Banned

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    I suppose 'everything/anything' is possible. IMHO, for there to exist a genetic memory, I'd guess it would have to do with such information quantum-imprinting at the DNA/RNA molecular level, most likely in a system-wide (multicellular) fashion. Some insight into this can be inferred from Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose investigations of quantum activities at the microtubule level in the brain and nervous system. Also there, hints regarding conciousnes and (OMG!!) soul.
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I was not familiar with what you have described

    I have since updated my knowledge and read up the subject

    For my thoughts on epigenetics being a process of passing memory through generations read the last word on my previous post

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    Repeat - bunkum

    Ditto - bunkum

    This appears to be sliding into a YaBut thread and my tolerance towards YaBut has been reach

    So I will exit stage left and leave others to follow what they will

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  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    No evidence exists for the genetic inheritance of past autobiographical or semantic memories. That's not the way the human brain makes those kinds of memory. It does have a lot of phylogenetic "memory", mainly in the form of autonomic reflexes and fear response (like being afraid of spiders or of heights).
     
  23. The God Valued Senior Member

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    It could be bunkum, but as I said some information gets transmitted so why not this type of? So instead of declaring it bunkum why not explain why it is bunkum.
     

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