Genetic Link to Past life Accountability?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Time/02112, May 14, 2001.

  1. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    The Power of Knowledge and the Dangers of Stupidity.

    Tab,

    Pipe bombs as you observe and from my own personal experience represent that aspect of human life we claim as knowledge. Gunpowder is very easy to make and so are a number of other higher power explosives. Nuclear bombs are also relatively easy to make if one can obtain the correct ingredients and a little technology. There are other types of knowledge in a similar category, for example, genetic engineering, cloning, and soon I think AI. Our problems are not that we have this knowledge but that many of us lack the intelligence of knowing when or how to use the knowledge. Almost any knowledge can be used for good or bad.

    When my children were younger I remember explaining to them how a dangerous and volatile metal, sodium, when combined with a deadly poisonous gas, chlorine, can produce table salt. I suspect there are other aspects of the universe that may well have such counter-intuitive properties and which we will probably discover accidentally and for which we will express total astonishment.

    The biggest problems we face are not from our scientific discoveries and factual knowledge but from our culture, our primeval instincts, and from socio-economic influences. If you give a child a loaded gun but don’t teach him its dangers then naturally you should expect a tragedy. We, as the human race are very much like that child, we are discovering these ‘loaded weapons’ through our instinctive curiosity, and we are demonstrating that immaturity that makes such knowledge so dangerous.

    I don’t regret learning how to make explosives. It was a powerful learning experience, but what I don’t have is a desire to use that knowledge to cause harm to others, the idea is abhorrent. The solution to wars and terrorism is to understand the sociological immaturity of such groups and attack the issues from the direction of that understanding. Using more weapons to fight other weapons simply escalates the stupidity that so many people so very easily demonstrate.
     
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  3. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Astrology and independence

    Tab,

    Astrology – uh-oh we are in danger of labeling each other. And uh-oh, a Libra huh! Definitely trouble.

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    I love astrology and have been trying to make it conform to strict rules for decades. It never seems to quite work the way I expect or want. I’ve seen enough to agree that there are some strong correlations between birth dates and personalities and I can predict the behavior of some people if I know their birth dates, and I can often also assign birth signs to people having only experienced their personalities. But it isn’t a very precise discipline and I find that very frustrating.

    So yes I am a Virgo, but with all signs there are many other influences that should be considered. For example my rising sign is Aries, which makes me quite assertive, and that alone mitigates against some of the more typical Virgo traits.

    So should I analyze you?? Nah that could spoil our pleasant dialogue. Of the Libras I have experienced I have noticed a tendency to not be able to make decisions easily, but that might not necessarily apply to you, right?

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    Being ignorant of drugs, rock, is I think from choice. I am and always have been very independent and if my peers wanted to do something that didn’t take my fancy then I simply did my own thing. I don’t drink alcohol either, never liked it, and never followed my peers when they thought downing pints of foul tasting liquid was somehow fun. Smoking went the same way. I guess I see most people as mindless sheep; they do something because everyone else does. So how about that for being arrogant?

    Uh-oh – too much about me here – time to stop – ego trip ended.

    Have fun
    Cris
     
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  5. Time/02112 Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    Thank You!

    Thanks Tiassa!
    again as always, you pose some very good ideas for thought.
    keeps me thinking!

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  7. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    hey time where ya been?
    about time ( oopppsss no pun intended)
    you gave a new injection to the thread of knoledge

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    groove on all

    do we remember or mearly wish it was different?

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    -thoughts...?
     
  8. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Cris, I know it's a bit off the subject but maybe you can explain something to me re. astrology.

    I never could understand why the determination wasn't from conception rather than birth. It seemed that during the seven to nine, maybe ten, months of development the individual would be most influenced by the forces that supposedly come into play rather than the forces in play at the moment of birth.

    My Mom, who was heavy into astrology, never could explain why.
     
  9. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    now imagine your mum lived only 40 feet away from a big transformer! ooooooooppppppppppppsssssssssssss
    is that a perverial spanner?

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  10. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    I think she did, Rip. If not forty feet, close enough. How else can I explain being labled 'Weird John' at a rather young age.
     
  11. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    Chagur,
    Maybe that’s the reason astrology is so unreliable. Or maybe it’s just that the ‘forces in play’ don’t have any bearing on the individual unless the umbilical cord is severed and it becomes an entity unto itself, connecting to the Universal energies and influences as an independent organism. Another reason of course, could be the fact that for the vast majority of people, it would be extremely difficult to determine the exact time and place that the actual conception took place.
     
  12. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Thoughts re.links etc.

    tablariddim, I just don't know. Part of me want's to think there is an effect of sorts, and another part of me wants to say pish! How much of either, or both, parts are tied in with my feelings about my mum, and where her head was at, colours the whole bit.

    Re-reading the thread a couple of thoughts came to mind:
    1) Re. 'junk DNA': Considering how brief the time since we became aware of DNA, I think it's pretty arrogant to term any part of it 'junk':
    2) A good many years ago I was told that space was an empty vacuum, that nothing existed in it - and had the termidity to ask: Not even light? How do we see the Sun, the planets, and the stars? Needless to say, I never did become that instructor's favorite ... but seeing him dance was worth it;
    3) So much emphasis on what we learn from birth, and nothing re. learning while developing ... I find it difficult not to believe that some of the environment is experienced, and the mother's response to it;
    and 4) An almost complete exclusion of 'instinctual' knowledge derived from our specie's experiences over the ages.

    Interesting thread, interesting thoughts.
     
  13. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    hey all
    yes ser-ry bob!
    that has got to be one of the little-big....questions that seem to be
    glazed over with hastening redirection

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    why do some people have great skill at throwing a ball
    and some have great skill in calculating the curve and optimal trajectory of the ball?

    we all can eat meat but we all dont want to hunt!
    soo... is a farmer naturaly a vegetarian?

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    thoughts....?


    groove on all

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  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I just want to digress for a moment ...

    to wonder about something I've heard said before:
    True enough, and always a wonderful point to make if you're Ted Nugent

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    However, I disclaim by the power of human economy and society. Two quick points on hunting:

    * There's three hundred-million of us in the United States, give or take. What would be left to hunt? It didn't take three hundred-million of us to buffalo the buffalo. It seems to me that the many people who lived here before the European situation didn't have this problem.

    * As I sit here typing this nifty note on my ruby iMac, I wonder who the hell would have built it for me to buy with the money I make pandering to an insurance company if we were all out hunting. Who, for instance, would build the gun? (This of course bearing in mind the hunting-related complication of what the heck would be left to hunt.)

    I have notions about the baseball bit, but none coherent enough to get the strike.

    Thanx much, Rip ...

    --Tiassa

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    (PS--on edit--y'know, I just realized how useless a post this is. I actually ignored the question marks.

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  15. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    hey tiassa

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    quote>>>* As I sit here typing this nifty note on my ruby iMac, I wonder who the hell would have built it for me to buy with the money I make pandering to an insurance company if we were all out hunting. Who, for instance, would build the gun? (This of course bearing in mind the hunting-related complication of what the heck would be left to hunt.)<<<

    thats one of the things i see as a huge difference between most cultures.
    the need to gratify the self ego by killing

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    to hunt for food or enviromental control is a whole different kettle of buffalo

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    i guess by those standards it is time humans became the prey

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    maybe...tiassa, if you were sitting in a hut without your mac you might be facilitating discussion on global issues with friends and other tribes

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    i fully support the idea of photographic hunting and catch and release of big fish if not for food; that cannot be bought because of lack of money!
    if none of us had money............WHAT WOULD WE DO FOR FOOD for TOMORROW( tomorrow being the day you run out of food from your house) ?

    groove on all

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  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I tend to agree

    What if I change the phrase to the hunt for economy or environmental control ....?

    Because someone's going to have to do the dishonorable thing and accept food they didn't kill in order to make clothing or shelter out of the non-edible parts of the buffalo.

    This is why we have representative currency in the first place, which is a critical factor in modern civilization. Civilization as we know it simply could not exist without representative currency exchange.

    Darn ... that's right. I was digressing. Mostly I was trying to be cute about an old hunting slogan bequeathed me by those who lived when men were men and men without guns were women.

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    thanx,
    Tiassa

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  17. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    Quote>>> Because someone's going to have to do the dishonorable thing and accept food they didn't kill in order to make clothing or shelter out of the non-edible parts of the buffalo. <<<

    And thee being most honorable, tiassa, do kill your own food - whether plant or animal. Decent!

    ???? What happened, Rip? At a loss for words?
     
  19. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    hey all

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    scientists discover plants that scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    the reason that girrafs eat walking up wind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    vegitarians beware!

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    what a weird world we live in!

    it would be nice to think of women not having guns but they are quite often the ones pushing the trigger men!

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    its just not fasionable to say so!
    child abuse is raising the reality a little more though!

    who raises the children?
    men dont!(genralisation of modernday)

    responsibilty is hard to find in this day !
    i would gladly stop eating meat and killing animals if someone else would take the reponsibilty to do so for me and the good of the planet.

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    tiassa i know your heart is in the rite place!!!!!!!!;
    but who would do the dirty work?
    thoughts........?

    groove on all

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  20. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe past time. But it would require an interesting predator - like maybe the HIV virus ...
     
  21. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    You know, primitive man didn't have this problem. If he didn't hunt, he didn't eat. If he didn't eat for a long time end of problem.

    Funny, we say we've advanced. But if we're having this topic of discussion, have we? It seems that if we're depending on others to kill for us for food then that doesn't smack of survival traits to me. Rather that we've set ourselves up for a whole bunch of deaths should anything happen to our precious civilization which allows us the luxury of squemishness.
     
  22. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

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    Life after life after life...

    Hi, I hope I tell it in good english and that you understand what I' m trying to say...I think we come from another place, somewhere in the cosmos. It is the place we always go back to when we 'die' here on earth. The Tibetans call this Bardo. It is a place, full with alien entities. We live there together with other beings, till it' s time for us to go back to earth. Every time you go back, you go back to learn more about life, here on earth. How to behave against other people, what really matters in life. <karma-theory> When you pass over <die>, you go back to Bardo and so on....I don't know where it ends. Some say that when heart and soul are truly one, you stay at Bardo and become one of the entities who live there....Sometimes they become guides for humans in trouble, like a guardian angel.'Yes it sounds like fantasy...it is not. It is a difficult subject. People who've had near death experiences understand this better I think...But it is not heaven and hell, like in the bible.
     

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