Gay marriage gets recognition from the IRS

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Magical Realist, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Another landmark stride towards human equality!

    WASHINGTON — "All same-sex couples who are legally married will be recognized as such for federal tax purposes, even if the state where they live does not recognize their union, the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service said Thursday.

    It is the broadest federal rule change to come out of the landmark Supreme Court decision in June that struck down the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, and a sign of how quickly the government is moving to treat gay couples in the same way that it does straight couples.

    The June decision found that same-sex couples were entitled to federal benefits, but left open the question of how Washington would actually administer them. The Treasury Department answered some of those questions on Thursday. As of the 2013 tax year, same-sex spouses who are legally married will not be able to file federal tax returns as if either were single. Instead, they must file together as “married filing jointly” or individually as “married filing separately.”

    Their address or the location of their wedding does not matter, as long as the marriage is legal: a same-sex couple who marry in Albany, N.Y., and move to Alabama are treated the same as a same-sex couple who marry and live in Massachusetts.

    “Today’s ruling provides certainty and clear, coherent tax-filing guidance for all legally married same-sex couples nationwide,” Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew said. “This ruling also assures legally married same-sex couples that they can move freely throughout the country knowing that their federal filing status will not change.”

    Gay and civil rights groups praised the ruling. “Committed and loving gay and lesbian married couples will now be treated equally under our nation’s federal tax laws, regardless of what state they call home,” said Chad Griffin, the president of the Human Rights Campaign. “These families finally have access to crucial tax benefits and protections previously denied to them under the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act.”

    But the Treasury decision could have ramifications for many gay couples’ tax liabilities, said Roberton Williams of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington. Couples with similar incomes often pay the “marriage penalty,” with their tax liability as a couple being much higher than it would be if they were single.

    At the same time, same-sex couples will also be able to file amended returns for certain prior tax years, meaning that many couples might be eligible for refunds. Couples do not have to file amended returns if they do not want to, a senior Treasury official said, meaning that couples who might pay the marriage penalty would not owe back taxes.

    But the ruling creates complications for same-sex couples who live in any of the 37 states that do not recognize their marriages. Previously, such couples filed federal and state tax returns as individuals. Now, they will have to file their federal returns as other married couples do, but may be required to file their state returns as individuals.

    “There’s going to be a cumbersome workaround,” said Nanette Lee Miller of Marcum L.L.P., a public accounting firm. She sees it as a paperwork bother more than a financial issue.

    States might also respond to the federal ruling with changes of their own. “Most state income tax regimes begin with federal taxable income as the starting point,” Marvin Kirsner, a tax lawyer at Greenberg Traurig, said in an e-mail. “These state taxing authorities will have to figure out how to deal with a same-sex married couple who file a joint income tax return for federal tax purposes.” He added,

    “We will need to see guidance from each nonrecognition state to see how this will be handled.”

    The rule change is likely to provide a small increase for federal revenue, as more same-sex couples pay the marriage penalty, Mr. Williams said, describing it as a “rounding error.” But it would be partly offset by new federal spending on benefits for same-sex spouses.

    The ruling applies to all legal marriages made in the United States or foreign countries. But it does not extend to civil unions, registered domestic partnerships or other legal relationships, the Treasury said.

    The Treasury ruling is one of many that are starting to emerge from all corners of the federal government as Washington changes regulations to conform with the Supreme Court decision.

    Separately, the Health and Human Services Department said Thursday that Medicare would extend certain key benefits to same-sex spouses, “clarifying that all beneficiaries in private Medicare plans have access to equal coverage when it comes to care in a nursing home where their spouse lives.”

    But federal agencies are not moving in lock step. Instead, they are creating a patchwork of regulations affecting gay and lesbian couples — and may be raising questions about discrimination and fairness in the way that federal benefits are distributed.

    Medicare and Treasury officials have said they would use a “place of celebration” standard for determining whether gay couples are eligible for benefits. That means same-sex couples would receive benefits as long as they are legally married, regardless of where they live.

    But the Social Security Administration is now using a “place of residence” standard in determining spousal benefits, and a gay couple in Alabama might not receive the same benefits as a gay couple in New York until final determinations are made or Congress acts. The Obama administration has pushed federal agencies to ensure the Supreme Court’s ruling is carried out quickly and smoothly.

    “It would be nice if they were consistent,” Ms. Miller said. Creating federal regulations is a process and could change, she said."---
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement

    to hide all adverts.
  3. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

    Well it seems the IRS are not the only feds to give recognition to gay marriage, Ft Drum here in Upstate New York, will be giving benefits to married same sex couples! Yay!
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement

    to hide all adverts.
  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    A Pointed Way of Saying, "We Don't Like You"

    Interestingly, there are two states trying to get in the way of federal benefits for same-sex spouses of National Guard members.

    The Texas National Guard refused to process requests from same-sex couples for benefits on Tuesday despite a Pentagon directive to do so, while Mississippi won't issue applications from state-owned offices. Both states cited their respective bans on gay marriage ....

    .... Texas and Mississippi appeared to be the only two states limiting how and where same-sex spouses of National Guard members could register for identification cards and benefits, according to an Associated Press tally. Officials in 13 other states that also ban gay marriage - including Arizona, Oklahoma, Florida, Michigan and Georgia - said Tuesday that they will follow federal law and process all couples applying for benefits the same.


    To be clear, in Texas, they appear to be pushing those benefit calculations and disbursements back to the federal government; Maj. Gen. John Nichols explained that while the TNG, TAG, and TSG would not deny benefits, the Texas Military Forces office under his command could not process the benefit applications from same-sex couples because the Texas Constitution doesn't recognize gay marriage.

    In Missouri, state-run offices simply won't distribute benefit paperwork.


    Tomlinson, Chris. "Texas National Guard Refuses To Process Benefits For Gay Couples". Associated Press. September 3, 2013. September 5, 2013.
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement

    to hide all adverts.
  7. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

    Hah! This reminds me of my mom literally screaming on the other end of the phone, NO! NO! NO!, as I told her with full delight that the times they are a changing. She had asked me if I believed that gays and lesbians should be allowed to get married and have the same benefits and my response was, well sure. I then asked her,"In what way does this affect you?" She did not have a valid argument, unless you consider the biblical one valid. BTW she hung up on me, but just like my mom, Texas and Miss. can scream NO! NO! NO! all they want to, but the times are indeed a-changing, while they have currently hung up the phone they will eventually have to pick up the phone and answer in the affirmative to change and tolerance.
  8. arauca Banned Banned


    Now you can celebrate making a parade and wave the rainbow flag
  9. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

    Don't seem to have one on hand can you mail me one, @ NO! NO! NO! say it ain't so!
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Bureaucratize it through. Can't be beat.
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    That's why I'm FROM Texas. A long way FROM Texas!
  12. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    All men and women deserve to be treated equal and have the same right to pursuing happiness.
    This is quite a milestone, indeed!

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!


Share This Page