http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/ambady/pubs/2008RuleJPSP.pdf Make of the full text what you will, Jonny number 5
i have to say that i belive you are still operating on a subconscious level. this is more common than people realize.
I have to say that I don't know why you are persisting, or about what. What's more common than people realise? Identifying people who are homosexual in their attractions?
well i already asked you exactly WHAT features would define a homosexual person and you cannot come up with ONE. doesn't that tell you something?
I have not read the full paper yet, though I'm getting to it very shortly. Eyes and mouth are mentioned right here in this article which I quoted from above. That's TWO facial features pinpointed by the AUTHORS THEMSELVES. You seem to forget, this isn't MY study. I'm just an interested party discussing it. What facial feature I find to be "gay" has no bearing on the findings of this study.
Now, I really hope you don't get confused about the fact that both mouth and eyes were identified by the researchers as having identifying characteristics! You DO consider those facial features, don't you?!?!?
It's more about range of expression than features. The greater range affects facial muscle development. Think about how many straight men crinkle their noses when they laugh versus women and gay men.
Of course. If it proves my point, I am reaching. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Okay. Go people watch. Look at the differences in HOW people smile, what muscles are pulling or relaxing, how the eyelids are positioned, etc.
Hmm... but thats does not mean they are gay. I am sure straight men can smile just like gay men do. I think its too broad a generalization. I got hit on by a gay guy a couple of days ago... and now you are making me insecure about the way I smile tak. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Sure. Some straight men probably have a tendency to roll their eyes in a certain way more or crinkle their noses when they laugh. Some gay men probably move nary a facial muscle when they're at a funeral and 17 clowns burst out of precious Aunt Wilda's coffin. But we're speaking in generalities, and I'm speaking in generalities that I'm pretty confident in. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
So how sure are you about this generality? 80% of gay faces actually belong to gay people? 70? 50? Its easy to figure out gay people, because of the way they talk, dress and act differently from straight men. Ever thought that maybe you just think they have a gay face because you already figured out they are gay by other means?
Most of the gay men I've known have been bears (big hairy husky butch guys) that have the same fashion sense as straight guys, because that's mostly who my brother hangs out with. He's gay. His friends who are male are mostly gay. It's more about subtleties with these guys, but to people who are familiar with more masculine gay guys, they're easy to spot.
It was based on expressions (I'm sure). The shape of our faces actually changes based upon the expressions we make. At an early age (as doctors and studies have shown, See: "Real Boys" by William Pollack), both fathers and mothers tend express themselves less when it comes to boys (this is not true in all cases, but in a vast enough majority to truly make it a solid statistic). All emotions tend to be a bit more subdued. Because of this, most boys are indoctrinated practically from birth to bury their facial expressions under a stoic mask. Gay boys, for some reason, at an early age, tend to break away from this mold and struggle very little with acting in an expressive manner. Perhaps this is a contemporary achievement, because I cannot imagine many boys were permitted this at any time much before the 1980's. I remember even MY family trying to stifle my over-exuberance on numerous different issues. (that story for another time). Because, as mentioned before, all children physically "grow" in the faces they have both through genetic predetermining factors and by the way they "use" a face (a kid that lives a miserable life for the first 17 years will have noticeable features that tell his story even before the words have left his lips). In the case of gay boys, who also have a tendency towards expressiveness, these more defined eyebrows and heightened cheek muscles, along with the eye's expressiveness, may contribute to this increased detectability in gay men. ~String