Gay Couples want to be recognized as LEGALLY MARRIED...

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by wesmorrisbabe, Jun 9, 2003.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/background/gayrights.html

  1. I'm SUPPORTIVE of it

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  2. I'm OPPOSED to it

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  3. I feel INDIFFERENTLY towards it

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  1. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Haha, a little too spiritual to be of any earthly good tonight, aren't we, okinrus? The Devil? Ok I'll admit it, I signed my name in his book and became a wi- er homosexual!
     
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Mystech, I'll sell you my soul for a six pack of Corona and 20 bucks, what do you say?
     
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  5. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    There will not be riots but it will increase attacks on
    homosexuals.

    There are signifiant other avenues for heterosexual
    males to meet woman but to meet another homosexual
    it's almost impossible. The odds are against it.
    Those who go out guessing end up embarrassing themselves.

    Well they should be able to get married I guess. As long
    as they do not force a private organization to marry them, then
    I guess it's ok.
     
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  7. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    okinrus,

    Where do you get your information on homosexuals?
    It sounds like you are reading it directly off a pro-Christian anti-Homosexual propaganda pamphlet.

    How many Homosexuals have you known in your life?

    What is your source of information about their lifestyles?
     
  8. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    I'm against all sin including homosexual act.
    I'm not really going by any information.

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    Very smart and very kind. There lifestyle seemed
    normal but I do not think that they are typical. There
    are some christian homosexuals whom consider promiscuous
    homosexuals commiting a sin. Obviously I'm not talking about those who are promiscuous. I'm only speculating on the negative efffects on society. For example, it would be really good if I made 1 million dollars but then there are also negatives to this as well. I'm only presenting the negatives as a source of argument.
    In reality I do not really care whether they are allowed
    to marry or not.
     
  9. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Then don't you think it is quite presumptuous (at best) for you to speak as if you are an authority on their lives, where they meet, their promiscuosness or any other aspect of "the lifestyle"?

    Even IF you wanted to generalize all these unique individuals into a single group using all their most common traits and behaviors (which is unfair in itself) how could you go about doing that when you admittedly have very little experience, no real first hand knowedge and no source of valid information (hell, no source of any information, even skewed).
     
  10. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Fine if you think it is a sin, and condemn that action.
    I think it is closed minded and silly, but hey, our morals are obviously different.

    Be that as it may, how can you possibly pass judgement on the lifestyle of people when you admit that you know next to nothing about their lifestyle, and the little tiny bit you DO know is actually positive?
     
  11. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not passing judgement. However this
    is an arkward situation. If I say yes then
    I have to agree that the my church should
    have gay marriages. I cannot do that.
    I also believe that the state should not endorse
    homosexuality. It is only giving an incentive
    to what I believe is really a mental disorder in
    most cases. Right now there is no conclusive proof
    to whether they are born gay or sexual persuassion
    when they were very young.
     
  12. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    It is awkward for you to stand up for what you believe if your church tells you that you are wrong?

    I think that is sad.
     
  13. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by okinrus
    If I say yes then I have to agree that the my church should
    have gay marriages. I cannot do that.

    If you believe that it's a sin fine... but that has no bearing on this discussion. I'm pretty should they could care less if your church likes them. There are plenty that do accept them.

    I also believe that the state should not endorse homosexuality. It is only giving an incentive to what I believe is really a mental disorder in most cases.

    So based on no evidence, you are willing to see bias against a section of the population... even though you have NO reason to believe that it is 'bad' besides your bible. You can interpret the bible to say the sun goes around the earth, or the earth goes around the sun. Your random interpretation without any knowledge behind it is worth shit.

    Right now there is no conclusive proof to whether they are born gay or sexual persuassion when they were very young.

    Why the hell does it matter if they were born that way or made a choice? Answer: it doesn't. There is NO good reason for you to be against it, except that you don't want to see your religion be wrong.... which is an incredibly selfish view.
     
  14. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    Of course we accept them into the church but not
    in marriage. If I say they can get married then it's
    hypocritical of me to say that they cannot get married
    in my church.

    Well I hear it all the time from gays. "No one wants
    to be gay". The lifestyle is harmful both
    emotionally and physical. Until society completely
    changes, impossible, it will always
    be like this. We cannot say it is "bad" using your moral
    system. However we can say that given the choice
    between a homosexual lifestyle and heterosexual
    one, the odds are that the heterosexual lifestyle
    will be medically safer.

    http://www.naco.nic.in/nacp/hivtb.htm
    Through unprotected sexual intercourse with an HIV infected person. Individuals with multiple sexual partners and homosexuals are at higher risk of getting HIV infection.

    Higher risk probably because homosexuals have higher
    rates of AIDS in their population.

    Higher risk of suicide
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_fact.htm
    Data concerning young homosexuals is somewhat unreliable. It appears that about one in three teen aged suicides is by a gay or lesbian. Since homosexuals represent only about 5% of the population, gays and lesbians are greatly over-represented.
     
  15. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by okinrus
    Well I hear it all the time from gays. "No one wants
    to be gay". The lifestyle is harmful both
    emotionally and physical. Until society completely
    changes, impossible, it will always
    be like this. We cannot say it is "bad" using your moral
    system. However we can say that given the choice
    between a homosexual lifestyle and heterosexual
    one, the odds are that the heterosexual lifestyle
    will be medically safer.

    Well I hear it all the time from blacks. "No one wants
    to be black". The lifestyle is harmful both
    emotionally and physical. Until society completely
    changes, impossible, it will always
    be like this. We cannot say it is "bad" using your moral
    system. However we can say that given the choice
    between a black lifestyle and white
    one, the odds are that the white lifestyle
    will be medically safer.

    Wow, sounds kinda supid doesn't it. It is also medically safer for you too only eat fruits and vegetables. Yet I am not campaigning or trying to make legislation which influences your eating habits.


    Higher risk probably because homosexuals have higher
    rates of AIDS in their population.

    Higher risk of ignorance because cristians have higher rates of ingnorance in their population.


    Data concerning young homosexuals is somewhat unreliable. It appears that about one in three teen aged suicides is by a gay or lesbian. Since homosexuals represent only about 5% of the population, gays and lesbians are greatly over-represented.

    So you are a class which society looks down upon. People like you wish to keep them down, and don't want to help progress because you are afraid of being hypocritical. Then you use suicide as evidence it is bad, when it is most likely due to people like you putting them down.

    And why the hell do you hit 'enter' after every 5 or so words?
     
  16. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    We have to wear seat belts. The state should
    not endorse it. Besides the more they endorse it,
    the more flak they will get from right wingers.

    I do not wish to keep them down. The reality is that
    its sacrilege to allow a homosexual marriage be performed
    in a Catholic church. So if say that they can get married
    by law, doesn't that beg the question as to why they cannot
    get married in my church? Also the lines thing is cause I do alot of computer programming where the lines are only 50 or so characters and most are much shorter than that.
     
  17. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by okinrus
    I do not wish to keep them down. The reality is that
    its sacrilege to allow a homosexual marriage be performed
    in a Catholic church.

    It is also sacrilege to marry a jewish couple in a catholic church. This has nothing to do with jewish marriages being legal.

    Also the lines thing is cause I do alot of computer programming where the lines are only 50 or so characters and most are much shorter than that.

    Yeah, I program too... you don't just randomly insert carriage returns.
     
  18. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    Do you program in c, c++ or java?
    Code:
    #include <stdio.h> 
    int main(void) { printf("\n\n"); return 0; }
    
    Well after every statement or so. Most are fairly
    short.

    Yes but marriage in this case would be marriage into
    mortal sin. Whether society should give them legal rights
    is not my decision.
     
  19. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    hey, no one go to crazy trying to argue with okinrus its kind of important to remember in arguements like this that religious arguments arnt about reasons or whats wrong or who it hurts, its about getting to be right ALL the time. They alwayse get to go back to "God says its so" and if you tell 'em that not everyone thinks god says that or that "God says its so" just isnt good enough then they can say you are attacking their beliefs.
     
  20. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by okinrus
    Do you program in c, c++ or java?
    I know c, c#, vb, pascal, php, asp, javascript. You go to the next line in predetrmined places. Not the middle of a damn statement.

    Well after every statement or so. Most are fairly
    short.

    idiot.... would you put a carriage return in the middle of a printf statement? No... then why the hell put one in the middle of a sentence.

    Yes but marriage in this case would be marriage into
    mortal sin.

    Whatever, I disagree and think that is bull.

    Whether society should give them legal rights
    is not my decision.

    Thank you. Now shutup.
     
  21. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    God is not someone I'm willing to mess around with.

    God says 'anyone who says "you fool" is liable for hell'.
    Arguing with you gives me a severe case of tunnel vision.
     
  22. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    God says 'anyone who says "you fool" is liable for hell'.
    I guess I'm lucky I called you an idiot instead

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    Arguing with you gives me a severe case of tunnel vision.
    Your tunnel vision is the reason we are arguing in the first place. It is not the symptom, it is the cause.
     
  23. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    Jesus was speaking in aramaic so I would not
    take that chance. "Anyone who hates his brother
    does not have Him within him."

    Ah but at least I have vision.
    Those who walk in the dark will stumble.
     

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