Gadhafi is dead.

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Shadow1, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    bells its not the comments by the libyans i am commenting on, its up to them to decide there own legal basis be it christan, sharia, common, civil or something compleatly different. My annoyance is aimed at those HERE and more so the pollies from countries like Australia and the US who claim that they aren't fighting Islam but when libya considers using sharia as the basis of there law they denounce it. The hypocracy of this is appalling ESPECIALLY considering that one of the first sets of laws that the US "helped" Iraq put together after there "liberation" wasn't constitutional law, it wasn't administrative law, it wasn't even basic criminal law, it was COPYRIGHT law for Christ sake. No government, no functional civil law and order but at least they were stopping those pirated DVDs.

    As for marriage equality don't you think there are enough problems with out OWN system to worry about before judging someone else's marriage laws? for instance how about the fact that a significant portion of the Australian population cant even ACCESS marriage. THAT is what should be the subject of speeches in our parliament, not what another country chooses to base its laws on
     
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  3. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Total unadulterated BS

    This is the Transitional Law in Iraq after the invasion was over and until the Constitution was written to and agreed to by the Iraqis

    LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ

    FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD

    8 March 2004

    http://web.archive.org/web/20090423064920/http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html

    No mention of copywrite, but all about basic human rights, and laws and judiciary etc etc.

    Arthur
     
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  5. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    [Q


    So still trying to pass yourself off as a Celtic Brian?

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    What does that mean ? Celtic Brian ?
     
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  7. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Not only corrupt, I would wager the man was slightly insane and living in a fantasy. Sadly, violence sustained his fantasy.
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    “And in such a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people, as Albert Camus suggested, not to be on the side of the executioners.” - Howard Zinn
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, and the US government was not on the side of these executioners.
     
  10. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    US&NATO supported the NTC. Are you saying the executioners of Gaddaffi were some other agency?
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    They didn't necessarily act in an official capacity.
     
  12. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    You should run for President.
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    Exactly.

    But they are not being given that right, are they? So what do you think about their not being even given the right to a say in the matter?

    Why? Do you think others should not voice anger that the Libyans are not even being given the right to choose? Who else is going to speak in support for them?

    The laws as they have announced it in Libya will deny women equal rights in Libya, marriage laws and divorce laws are now apparently gone, from what the Libyans are saying and yes, they have a right to be angry and they have a right of getting support if they need it.

    Huh?

    Okay, I am not even going to delve into copyright laws since, you know, they have nothing to do with this discussion..

    What I will say is that you fail to recognise the hypocrisy of the 'liberators' and the newly self proclaimed leadership who instead of discussing future elections and security and the economy, what they do tell the Libyan public is that they will now be governed by Sharia Law and what little rights they had before, especially women, are now non-existent.

    And?

    Does not mean we cannot recognise the short falls of what is happening in Libya at the moment and comment on our own failed marriage laws, does it? You bitch and moan about American politics all the time, and you bitch and moan about Australian politics. This is kind of like the same thing, but instead of bitching and moaning about Americans, we are bitching and moaning about the previous and now current Government of Libya.

    Certainly. Now go and protest to Gillard. Now, onto this topic..

    So tell me Asguard. Do you think women should have equal rights in marriage and divorce and in society? Do you think homosexuals should have equal rights in marriage and divorce in society. If yes, then you should also be concerned about this sudden declaration in Libya.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Interestingly, Bells' last paragraph could be a deviation, under the right circumstances, from the more default position of representative democracy. Is there a condition under which franchise ought to be ignored?
     
  15. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    see here
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Weelll, I was hoping to draw scifes et al out a bit on this, but fine: spoil the ploy, why don't you. Pfft.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Quad, you are the first person aside from my children to have made me laugh out loud in the last few weeks. I thank you!

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  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    No one appreciates subtlety any more. It's all sound bites and punch.
     
  19. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    I admit it was a bit cheeky there. But should we really be catering to the level of discourse that is oblivious to such major, well-understood, long grappled-with aspects of the stuff?
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Let me respond in this way: do you have any evidence that the major, well-understood, long-grappled with aspects of the discourse really are understood by the parties with whom one tries to start a discourse?
     
  21. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    No, as I said: oblivious. So, why start such a discourse? At the very best, it ends up recapitulating elementary-school-level material. Anyone who's halfway serious is necessarily going to speak in recognition of such features in the first place, no?
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Hope springs eternal. I mean, outreach at their level surely has a better chance of producing a positive result than dunning them with concepts that while obvious to us, aren't to them. For that matter, it might help a couple of the intermediately-skilled understand a few fine points integral to the structure of the discussion that might otherwise go unnoticed. If you're assuming they're being deliberately facetious, well, I guess I can't prove otherwise, and I've probably already alluded to the possibility.
     
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