Funerals for Aborted Fetuses'

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by CounslerCoffee, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    In an odd twist, and a new way to look at the abortion debate, a church buried the ashes of over 1,000 aborted fetuses.

    Yahoo News - Church Plans to Bury the Ashes of Aborted Fetuses'

    Now, from the way the clinic director is talking, it sounds like the church pulled up behind the clinic and ransacked the dumpster that stored the fetuses’ and drove off in a frenzy to bury them-- this is not the case.

    I would have to assume that the church also takes the remains of dead homeless people and buries them as well?

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    In order for it to be grave robbing, wouldn't it have to be in a grave?

    What startles me the most is that the women were willing to get abortions, but not bury the remains. Burying something in a ritualistic manner makes it valid: when you bury something, it must have once been alive.

    The Church, in essence, is saying to the people "You shitted this out of your vagina and said it wasn't life, so we're going to bury it because it is life."

    Very interesting.
     
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    They should save them, encase them in lucite and make key-chains.
     
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  5. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Xev, that struck me as rude and cold. I realize ye'r only joking, but there are people that could be hurt by that.

    But back to the topic . . .

    This particular case is a bit confusing, and it's hard to say if anyone was wrong, and if so, who. But I think the church is right to bury these cremated fetuses, and I think the mortuary was right to give the remains to the church. They breached a contract, and that's why it's confusing, but I think it was ethical.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    No, they usually steal the remains, lay the most juicy ones on baby blankets and take photos so that the image can be placed on giant posters for their right to life campaigns.

    No. The State usually buries dead homeless people. Dead homeless people don't serve the Church as well as aborted fetuses in their right to life campaigns.

    Not necessarily. Many women who miscarry their children also do not bury them. My mother was one of them. She miscarried at 6 months and she refused to have a funeral service. She asked the hospital to take care of his remains. I guess after having lost and buried her first child 4 days after her birth, burying a second child lost through miscarriage was too much for her.

    As for women who have abortions not burying the remains, well do you know how much a funeral costs now days? For one thing they wanted to get rid of the child for reasons only known to them. I'd imagine it's not an easy decision for the majority of the women who actually go through with it. A funeral would only prolong the pain I guess.

    Hmmm.. more like the Church is saying to these women 'You killed it against our wishes and now we're going to bury it to prove a point'. If the Church cared so much about life, they'd actually pay for the burials of homeless people who actually did live.
     
  8. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    There are over seven billion extra humans on this planet - funerals are unnecessary, but killing many of them is. And what are funerals for? To make us feel better about dying, and to think that our graves will last for another hundred years? I can't...stop....laughing. Death is real.
     
  9. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    For now on, whenever I have sex or whack off, I'm gonna save my "samples" in a cup and send it to the Church for them to bury for me. Millions killed in one load.

    - N
     
  10. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I knew someone that had a baby prematurely in to a toilet, then they took a shit and flushed.
    The baby got stuck and they kind of felt sorry for it as it squirmed in vain to escape, so they bent down to pick it up but then noticed it had shit on it, so they dry heaved and flushed again but this just jumbled the baby around so only it's legs were sticking out, then they decided to get a plunger and plunge the baby but right as they went to plunge the red rubber thing fell off and they accidently inserted the stick into the babies ass.
    True story.

    Ofcourse, the baby was then pulled out and given a proper funeral.
    Anything less would be disgusting in my view.

    As a matter of interest, a few weeks later they dug up the grave of that baby to use it's corpse in a silly commercial but found that the baby had actually gotten out of the coffin and begun trying to dig for freedom. Unfortunately it must have been disoriented, because it had actually dug down another 6 feet before dieing.
    It was found attached to the decomposed teat of a lady who died of AIDs 2 weeks before (little known fact- aids victims are buried 12 feet deep rather than 6).
    An autopsy revealed the baby died of sadness.

    I have to agree with athelwulf on that one.
    As I said, I know someone who lost a premature baby, so it's not very funny for me.
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I think making a political statement out of a mass grave full of babies is a bit crass, especially when we consider that,

    I mean, let's at least be honest about this: everything was fine until parishoners decided to make it a political statement. But they never meant it as a political statement .... Right. Making a public spectacle out of a mass grave full of babies in order to commemorate Roe isn't a political statement.

    What? What have I overlooked?
     
  12. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Eww, sick, Lou.

    - N
     
  13. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    Tiassa:
    That really, why do the women care? I don't see why they would hate the church for doing that... they went out of their way to get a coat hanger shoved up their vaginas; why not let some priest bury your babies mangled remains?
     
  14. shrubby pegasus Registered Senior Member

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    it isnt a baby
     
  15. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    Then why be upset when someone buried what you considered not to be your child?
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Like I said, "everything was fine until parishoners decided to make it a political statement".

    I find the indignity of a mass grave curiously ironic, but nothing to complain about. Beyond that, it's a more primal issue, about naming things. The church wishes to redefine these women's choices in front of the whole world, and that's a bit more than simply burying mangled remains. As long as everybody keeps it to themselves, everybody gets to keep it to themselves.
     
  17. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Lou, I don't think that's a true story. Are you just being sick on purpose?

    Shrubby pegasus:

    By "it", do ya mean the fetus? If so, then ya might be surprised by this:

     
  18. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    Burial isn't really a religious ceremony.

    A political statement is a statement designed to give a particular group political clout. The actions of this group were to inform the public, of the mass graves and mass killings of the unborn children. If this burial was political, then the Catholic Church would have no right to receive tax breaks. They do, after all, occasionally have sermons against abortion and have prayers for these children. There's no political affiliation with this. No more than any sermon against murder. Any political representative can choose to be pro-life.
     
  19. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    The actions of this group was to inform the public of, what they already knew? That's political. If this weren't political, it wouldn't be a one-time thing. What happened to all the other previous funerals for aborted fetuses? I mean this one event isn't trying to make some sort of religious or political point so they had to have had other funerals for them, but where are they? Any time something like this is made public, it's a political/religious statement. To think otherwise just shows ignorance or trying to protect the hides of the Church.

    - N
     
  20. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not sure what you mean by "one-time thing." Presumably, there will be more funerals.

    Would you believe the funeral of a president is political? It's public but, at least to me, isn't political. Those fetus remains have to be buried or stored somewhere. You only hear about the burial because it was newsworthy. Merely telling someone about the burial is not a political statement. It's like a city mayor finding the remains of a thousand people, and then telling the public--those who want to be public at the ceremony--that he's going to burry them.
     
  21. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    We'll see how much the Church cares if more funerals happen in the future for every aborted fetus.

    No, the funeral of a president isn't political. If it were a one time thing for just one president, then it'd be political, but funerals for them happen for almost every single one.

    Do they?

    - N
     
  22. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    This whole issue would have been avoided if they'd donated the remains to Cannibal Corpse fans.

    Athelwulf:
    I am not joking, I speak from the utmost concern for aborted fetuses.
    You see, I was an aborted fetus myself.

    I wasn't aware that dictionary.com was an accurate source of medical information. I should get my latest STD cured there.
     
  23. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think it's going to be a one time thing, but a lot of times they take the aborted remains out of the abortion clinic's trash, and, because they trespass, they can't really go public.
     

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