Frontlines, "Company of Soldiers"

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Jagger, Feb 26, 2005.

  1. Jagger Registered Senior Member

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    Until you do, you have nothing to stand on. Sit your ass down in the cheap seats and stick to things you possess a modicum of authority over, because posts like this make you look rather silly.

    I am an ex-military officer and I was in the first Gulf War. I believe you are the one talking of what you don't know.

    And that is the reason I am not too hard on the soldiers. They are just ignorant kids.

    I am very hard on the neocons and their supporters. If we invade a country and start killing people, we had better have a very damn good reason. We didn't and we don't. The neocons have still not given us a plausible reason why we invaded that country.

    I may be an ex-military officer but I am not mindless nor stupid.
     
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  3. Jagger Registered Senior Member

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    PS: An acquaintance of mine, army Captain, came back from Afghanistan a few months back. He was training Afghani soldiers over there. He said he felt like he was training the very people that would shoot him in the back if they had half a chance. He is doing everything he can to ensure he doesn't go back anywhere over there. He said it is senseless.

    My brother is still in the military. He is a Lt. Colonel. He is far more conservative than I am, but like me, he is disgusted with what is going on. There are a lot of folks in the military that feel we have been lied to and people are dying for god knows what real reason.

    Check out Hackworth as well.

    The military has its bloody thirsty neocons for sure. But there are a lot of disgusted military people out there as well.
     
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  5. Crimson_Scribe Thespian Registered Senior Member

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    Fight over. KO. Jagger wins.
     
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  7. Crimson_Scribe Thespian Registered Senior Member

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    Also PS: Jagger, just out of curiosity, what unit did you serve with?
     
  8. Undecided Banned Banned

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    They don't care about the war, the politics, the corruption, the bad decisions made in the halls of government, the sanctimonious protesters who have no idea what their job entails. The soldiers are there to do a job; nothing more.

    That’s exactly the problem isn’t it? Collective ignorance so that they don’t fell guilty about their immoral actions. The mentality you are espousing as a good thing really isn’t because it reinforces what makes militaries so bad, blindness. Now I believe that there are wars that justified, and have to be fought no question. But soldiers lives are on the line (are they not?) and limiting if not totally debasing these people’s opinions and beliefs is part of the military indoctrination programme. What the president says is right, period attitude. Although I don’t agree with you that protesters know nothing, chances are they know much more then the soldiers fighting, the soldiers should start asking themselves serious questions. Let’s face it, the war in Iraq isn’t America’s war, its Bush’s war. What I fear is that the US military is turning to some Soviet like machine, which instead of fighting for country, its fighting for party. I wonder…how credible would a Democratic president would be in the halls of the military, and the barracks?
     
  9. Jagger Registered Senior Member

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    Crimson, I don't release anything private over the internet any longer. However if you want to know, drop me a private message.
     
  10. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    In that case you are being just plain disingenuous by feigning righteous indignation at the soldiers' emotions, perspective biases, and desire to avenge their fallen brothers. You of all people should know that the politics, adversarial state of mind, or any other aspect that's handily discussed back home doesn't mean shit to them. All that matters is the men next to them.

    I know there is a lot more closeted dissent in the military than some people like to admit because I was part of it myself. It also doesn't take a genius to see that some of the micromanaging horseshit being handed down from Washington does not bode well for the welfare or potency of our fighting men and women. On these things I imagine you and I could share some rather constructive discourse.

    Anyway, sorry for getting all hot and bothered at you back there but this tends to be one of the few things that can get me riled up. The cultural rift between civilian life and the military is a yawning gulf of disparity, and there is a poor understand of what it means to serve by people who have never worn the uniform themselves.
     
  11. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Dogs are mentioned in the Koran 5 times and nowhere are they called unclean....only fake Hadiths by Abu Hurayra who hated dogs and women
     
  12. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Its real enough for the larger chunk of islamic law to be based on it. I don't care if it was written by Dr. Seuss.
     
  13. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    Thats right wood, dodge my point about your being willfully ignorant of the distinction between islamic fanatics and the Iraqi people.
     
  14. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Don't act all high and mighty, Spymoose, that bastard disserved everything he got, and more, for wearing that towel on his head like some kind of idiot! Remember, if we simply refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing, then no wrong can be done! The Iraqis are uniformly evil, except when we do nice things for them and can gloat about helping to rebuild schools and stuff, otherwise they are vile wretches who need to bow down to American Supermen who are inerrant in their every action.

    It's an awfully ungrateful sentiment to be angry about someone shooting your dog when that person could have just as easily blown a hole right through your wall and raped your wife. The nerve of these Iraqi people is simply outstanding. They bring this treatment on themselves!
     
  15. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    I presented two arguements. The first applies if he is a sane, secular Iraqi citizen and the second applies if he is an Islamist nutter. Take your pick.

    Number two should also take care of any of the islamist organizations or governments complaining.
     
  16. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, however they are both arguments as to why it is ok for a member of an occupying force to shoot, in cold blood, a dog which belongs to a member of the civilian population which they are apparently supposed to be protecting.

    I truly hope that somewhere in your twisted struggling mind you can understand how such an act is simply intolerable and just flat out wrong. If not, then perhaps I'll come over to your place, build a shed for your neighbor, and then shoot your dog and see if perhaps you feel a bit upset over the matter when all is said and done.
     
  17. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    What Islamic law? you post things about Islamic law as if you know what your talking about which you obviously dont.Perhaps you should do your homework before you post
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Who the fuck cares about one damn dog? It was stupid to shoot it, one inexperienced medic panicked, but it pales in comparison to all the murder and human bloodshed and misery going on there. They are allowed to shoot people if they see a weapon, or they are driving too fast towards them, or if they are in the company of someone carrying a weapon (remember the helicopter video?). When in doubt, your life is worth more than a civilian, they do not recieve the benefit of the doubt. War is a very blunt instrument, and these kind of things are expected, that's why war should only be made when absolutely necessary, and when all other avenues of diplomacy are exhausted.
     
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    I presented two arguements. The first applies if he is a sane, secular Iraqi citizen and the second applies if he is an Islamist nutter. Take your pick.

    Well you choose the worst…the Republicans…eerie!
     
  20. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Undecided, your debating skills are impeccable. And exactly what are you undecided about?
     

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