# From , Does time exist , thread . Physics and math .

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1. ### river

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Exactly

All physical objects , 3D dimensional objects will naturally have mathematical value . Because they exist . They have 3D geometry . Duration will happen whether any measurement is placed on it or not .

3. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Which is it? "Duration has no numbers", or "Duration has a natural mathematical order"?

Both can't be true.

5. ### river

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Duration has numbers , Duration can have a natural mathematical order .

Duration though is about the objects themselves . Which in the end dictate both the numbers and any order , mathematically .

7. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Numbers have a natural mathematical order.

Defining duration with numbers is fine, but saying duration "has" numbers, is not. Where does it get them from?

8. ### river

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From the objects existence and their movements .

9. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Well, ok. Things that exist and are physical objects can be counted, so numbers exist if countable objects exist. Right.
But they don't have to be moving. How does a duration move, even though you can count one or more of them?

10. ### river

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They do . Duration is about movement because of the Natural properties of the objects . No matter the size of the group .

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Sure .

And therefore what ......

12. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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What if the objects are marks on a ruler? By definition they don't move, relative to each other. Fixed objects that don't move are easier to deal with, for us humans. I guess the universe doesn't care though.

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They are still objects . Fixed objects that don't move are still objects . Duration is not a fixed quality of movement .

The Universe is both of Life and the periodic table .

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