free will and culpability

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  1. Pineal Banned Banned

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    How can he or she help it?
     
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  3. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Look how that creates jobs . A job stimulus . It is the fucking criminals fault cause crime rates are down in the U.S.
    Them Fucking U.S. Criminals are slacking and people are losing jobs because of it . We need more criminals to stimulate the economy , But no , Nobody says they want to be a drug crazed criminal that robs gas stations . Slackers ! They are hurting the economic recovery . Maybe some of you cops better start thinking of a career change . Job preservation . Switch teems so to speak
     
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  5. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Improv, Candid . That is about close as you can get . My favorite music is improv . The new song . Yet you can take most any music and find sampling that mimics . Jazz has a feeling of randomness to the untrained ear , yet you can find harmonic strains of jazz in Bach and even Chopin . It has evolved though . Rhythmically and harmonically stretched from its beginning so in light of that I inject a freedom song. For Me if you think of lovers being cherished things we try to hold up as truth or your love affair with self < Personal Mind sets .

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  7. theobserver is a simple guy... Registered Senior Member

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    it has always been fear that has shaped our world; not freewill.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence?
     
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  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    but we do have free will. If we did not we would be savages. We would not be human.
     
  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Religion, boom. Religion: The practice of group worship.. why do people praise in groups? Because not only are they retarded, but they are afraid. fear is the human retardation.
     
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    'Cause we want to force them to do what we want, hopefully good things.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
     
  14. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    We would not be anything other than as we are. We couldn't help it! It's just that it would not matter, would it? At least to me.

    If we don't select to be good, then what good is being good?
     
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    How so?
    Is your contention anything more than uninformed speculation?
     
  16. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I remember first mulling over the concept of free will when I was around 9 years old. I didn't really know the terms, I just knew the concept when my mother explained the concepts of fate and destiny to me. I came to the same conclusions you have.

    I quickly determined there was no way to settle the issue... But I certainly feel like I can make choices. I might even go so far as to say I "believe" I have free will. But then again, maybe that's my fate.

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  17. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I figured out we have the appearance of free will. Whether we actually have it is still open to question basically, and so we go around endlessly about it.

    I would have actual, real trouble functioning if I stopped believing in free will. Certain pit props which keep my current shambling mental structure from caving would fall down.
    I'd have to seriously rearrange things. I'm already in a process of serious rearrangement, very painful.
    I am barely functional as it is, and not so in important respects. I'm not completely insane at the moment. But certainly not firing on all thrusters either.

    So, even though it's a totally unprovable assumption...is in fact a good reason to believe it.

    But not a logical one.


    I will have to think about this.
     
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    The only thing that makes free will illogical is the limit of choices we have in reality, but we could also assert that to be our own fault in many instances.
     
  19. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    that is a mouth full Chimpkin . Think about what you said . Blow my mind .

    " We Would Not Be Anything Other Than As We Are " Think about that ? We are as we are. You are as you are . Kind of like that statement you are what you eat. Now think of it as the things you learn . See I always think of learning and eating as being similar . When my step father was a killing machine as a mercenary the troops he was training would say " I want to eat you brain so I can know what you know Mr. Jimmy ( Little Jimmy for all you who knew Little Jimmy in Sacramento ) The thing is they would know if they learned the things he taught ( how to effectively kill things ) So to Me knowledge changes your course and in that you have a chance of finding some freedom . We in the art circle call it climbing Jacobs Ladder . If you keep climbing you get to the top of human activity and brake free of existing programing . You want to think about that cause it can put you in the group of total insanity and they still put you in loony bins if you fall to far off the human train tracks . It is a fine line to conform and to find your freedom of non-conformance . Yet we are the lucky ones cause in America it is no holds barred . Truly the children of Liberty we are . We have a chance at free will . Well maybe not , but it will look like like fee will from where we stand . O.K. a great Doctor told Me this ( Dr.Gibson from New Mexico ) It is not that hard to see my own future , but it more fun not to see it and have it be a surprise .
    Fish in a big enough fish bowl don't know they are in a fish bowl . Trout in a fresh water lake are happy. It is there natural environment, so what do they care if they ultimately swim in a circle
     
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    What about desire and irritation? And can't we be free to run away when we are afraid or to cower in the corner? I prefer to choose the latter generally, people see runners as a fun challenge.
     
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    Every speculation is 'informed' by the precise molecular make up of the speculator in that moment before the act of speculation. It's just a more complicated phenomenon than sweating or evapotranspirating - to avoid being kingdomist - or sneezing. What else could he or she do?
     
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    Good thinking.

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  23. Pineal Banned Banned

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    He couldn't help that either. And you couldn't help liking it. And I can't help but see the irony.
     

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