Fox News reporter eviscerated by Wall Street protester

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  1. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah. Looks like Fox was outfoxed.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What ilks me is that so many Americans don't know or are so brainwashed to F451 proportions, such that they have no hope of understanding what this guy just said!
     
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    He didn't really say too much other than chant the same slogans. One problem about the class warfare card, is the poor lose even when they win. The only ones who make out in this shorted shightenness are the liberal leaders who will skim votes.

    Say you regulate a company and use that money for a social program. In the short terms this seems to work out. But if that cost impacts the health of the company, it will result in a loss of jobs. The cost increase also passes onto the consumer. This does not impact the rich as much as the middle class in the final analysis.

    The problem with liberals is they are shorted sighted and are happy winning the battle but can't see far enough how they lose the war. They can't see they have created an environment that hurt the middle class.

    Recently we really stuck it to the banks, which appeared like a liberal victory. Now debit cards will have a fee. This victory will be passed on to the middle class. The cut off is $10K in the bank. which means the poor and middle class will lose. The liberal geniuses need to work the brain more.

    To win the war against poverty, you have to be willing to lose the battle, so you can understand the enemy and win the war. If we removed stupid, stick it to them, regulations, in the short term there will be a windfall for the rich.

    But we will depend upon business greed to win the war. They will not want to bury the surplus in a hole, since more money can be made investing. They will then need people to work jobs so they can make money. In the end the middle class and the poor will benefits.
     
  9. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    What I find funny about your argument is that it doesn't explain how a country like Denmark (or sweden for that matter) is able to regulate that company and put the money into social programs and have one of the healthiest middle class in the western world? They tax like crazy and yet the people don't lose, they live better than americans, they have more security and stability than americans. Why is that? Are they smarter? Maybe the viking god just sprinkled socialist prosperity dust over them? Why is it that the rich don't take the piss out of the middle and working class there? Class war? Check out the following because I am deeply curious how a socialist democracy can do all the things you say do not work with less money than there is in the US. And they do live better, I know, I've lived there and the working class Dane is by far better fed, housed, educated and healthier than their american counter-parts. Why?:

    Denmark's extensive social welfare system has existed in its current form since the 1960s, but has roots in Danish culture back to the 1930s. Because of Danes' long-standing preoccupation with economic equality, there is less of a difference between Denmark's high-in-come and lowest-income citizens than in the United States or many other countries. People who work in restaurants or cleaning buildings have free access to the same quality of healthcare as those who are lawyers, professors, or accountants. They have paid holidays, maternity and paternity leave, sick leave, and unemployment benefits.

    According to sociologists Jens Hoff and Jorgen Goul Andersen in their article "The Danish Class Structure" in Acta Sociologica (1989), the concept of class is difficult to compare between countries with this kind of social system and countries such as the UK, the United States, or in less-developed countries. Class in Denmark is tied less to things like income and healthcare, and more to location, profession, and the kind of work engaged in, i.e. the amount of control over one's own responsibilities. Much of the Danish labor force works without much individual control over workplace decisions, without supervising others, and without much autonomy. This might make them working class by some definitions. However, these workers' quality of life is still very high by most standards, underscoring the impression that in Denmark, there is a lack of status distinctions between those who have high-skill or low-skill jobs.

    All families with children under 18 receive, irrespective of income, family allowances consisting of a regular, tax-free amount per child, with a higher rate for children under 7 years of age. Bread-winners who are single parents or pensioners can receive additional allowances per child. Families with children are entitled to free home help if the person who has the responsibility for the home and the children cannot manage it on account of, for instance, illness or confinement. Among other things, families living in rented accommodation can, depending on family income and the size of the rent, receive a housing benefit (in December 1998, there were 169,000 recipients).


    Read more: Denmark Poverty and wealth, Information about Poverty and wealth in Denmark http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Europe/Denmark-POVERTY-AND-WEALTH.html#ixzz1ZphDG2M4


    Is it perfect? No but try god help the politician that tries and take it away from them. They would strip em of their blond hair and citizenship.

    *And they have a monarchy too. imagine that*
     
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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Talk about slogans!

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    One, the guy did not chant. He gave voice to some very real issues. And not once did he pull the welfare card. That was you creating another straw man - as Fox, limbaugh, and levin devotees love to do; you know the old ditto head thing.
    So you are saying that things were much better back in the Industrial Revolution when there were few if any regulations? Yeah back in the good old days when children went hungry on the streets and had to work to support their families - the Republican/Tea Party nirvana. I think most people with healthy brains are able to figure this one out.
    I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up this claim? Of course you don't. Because none exists. This is just more Republican/Fox News mantra.
    No we didn't really stick it to the banks. Congress passed a reform of the financial industry to prevent the excesses of the past. And not every bank charges ATM fees and the cut-off is not 10K for every bank. Each bank is different. As I mentioned before most banks still do not charge fees for using debit cards. That is you making stuff up again.

    And by the way, do you really need to use a debit card? A credit card is a much better choice for a variety of reasons.
    Oh yeah the old trickle down. It has never worked in the past, so why should it start working now? We can see how well it worked the first 10 years of this century, it didn't.

    I suggest you start educating yourself instead of just mindlessly accepting the rhetoric of the right wing (e.g. limbaugh, beck, levin, etc.).
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Because it's not true. 30 years of trickle down economics have left us where we are now. Why are the advocates of the working class overwhelmingly Democrats? Why do unions support Democrats?
     
  12. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Trickle down economics is just another term for getting pissed on.
     
  13. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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    And the poor lose in other ways.

    For example, stores that accept credit cards are charged by the card companies for use of their service, which the stores pass on to all of their customers. Thus, the poor who don't have credit cards must pay extra for the rich to use their cards.

    The poor also pay more for maintaining their health.

    First, those poor who cannot join group healthcare insurance plans, must pay higher premiums for the same healthcare insurance.

    And second, insurance companies generally pay limited amounts on medical bills, causing healthcare providers to raise their rates. The poor who cannot afford health insurance are expected to pay the inflated prices that compensate for what insurance companies don't pay.

    Wherever the rich can afford to join, essentially, "unions" of consumers, injustice and oppression exist. When it involves affording healthcare, it is unconscionable. For example, we don't hear of employees of, say, General Motors paying only $80 to supermarkets for $100 worth of groceries, or paying only $750 to their municipality for $1,000 worth of water usage. The United States claims to have antitrust laws, and yet these biased consumer-related keiretsus are openly practiced by big businesses in America — and big business gains by it.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, I missed that gem, we bailed out the banks and for our efforts they foreclose on people without having the paperwork and raise their fees to use our own money.
     

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