Fortean phenomena

Its a pity smoking is going out of fashion he could give the lighter manufactures a hurry up.

Look clearly this is something one can only look at and say "how did he do this ?"
I can't answer that question and I suspect you cant, unless you really do know and you want to keep it secret, so all we can do to be fair is call him a fraud but as I saidcalling him a performer or magician would be kind.
The question arises.. If he got paid could he be charged with obtaining money by false pretences and if so charged what could he plead as a defence.
This makes me think about that phoney spoon bending act... It was so compelling and no one thought it was magic... but it was the work of a great magician.

Alex

 

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Except that you claim you can-- claiming that he is doing it thru trickery. But as the video shows, there is no trickery involved. So maybe you should stick with "I can't answer that question." Honest ignorance is always better than feigned knowledge.

 

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I have no problem in saying I do not know how he does it.
But there is only one answer that can prevail even without knowing how he did it and surely that can be to conclude some form of trickery as there is no other option.
The ignition comes from somewhere it does not come out of thin air.

Alex

 

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Since the video proves electrical energy comes out of his body at will in great amounts, it's feasible that it could also ignite a ball of newspaper when focused. That's the only explanation that fits with the facts.

 

That is a shocking conclusion.
I seem to gather a charge and when I earth.. Zap.
I cant disagree that there can be a build up but it seems a stretch to think you could start a fire... maybe and it would be a very big maybe it may work if there was an accelerant involved.. But that would be trickery.

Anyways thanks for posting the video that was very nice of you. You thought it would be of interest, and it is, and here I go trying to put it in a box.
We can look and not judge which is better than judging and not looking.
Alex

 

He is probably a good magician of the Dynamo class.

Most often do, including Alex......Some UFO's remain as unexplained.

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[1] "proves" The video proves nothing, other then something has occurred that on face value cannot be explained.
[2] "only explanation" No again, he may just be a fraud trying to fool people, which obviously he has succeeded at.
[3]"facts" I don't know the facts and I doubt very much that you do either.

 

Yeah we know how you operate James. As soon as anything unexplained or paranormal is presented here you cry fake. Do you have proof it is fake? No..ofcourse not. But you still insist the person involved is a fake, or the article is fake, or the video is fake. It's like talking to a brick wall. You have no genuine scientific interest in any of these phenomena. You are only interested in dismissing them and so preserving your precious worldview where no unexplained phenomena exist. But I'm content that I have provided things that are compelling enough to get your gander up. The seeds of doubt are planted. Reality is not what you think it is. Not even you can suppress forever this nagging suspicion that all these things are real. On certain nights you will dream about these things, and wonder why. And you can thank me.

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See, MR, that's just it - believe it or not, we scientifically minded folk would LOVE for this to all be real. That's why we ask these questions.

The onus isn't on us to prove it is a fake, because we aren't trying to use it as evidence of anything that accepted science cannot already explain; and it would be easy to fake a lot of things, from sleight of hand to camera tricks to hidden incendiary devices... all are possible and make more sense given known and accepted facts.

The claim that he can simply spontaneously ignite something using willpower alone is extraordinary. It would be amazing if it were true... but proving it to be true, that is what falls on you (the one claiming it to be true).

This is where we tend to butt heads, and I wish I could make it as apparent to you as it is to most of us.

What's funny is... the whole idea of "preserving our worldview where no unexplained phenomena exist" is just wholly wrong. There is plenty in the world that isn't adequately explained... there are hundreds (if not thousands) of square miles of unexplored space here on our own planet, between the depths of the oceans to the most remote areas of uncivilized and unpopulated land. Even without the paranormal / supernatural, there is plenty we simply don't know... accepting something as fact at face value, however, does nothing to further knowledge.

 

But claiming something is faked and refusing to investigate that phenomena is the opposite of science. Science is openminded and is brave enough to test and explore new things, even if they cannot be understood by it's extant theories. Take the case of this chi master. Skeptics were able to perform enough tests to learn his abilities were not being hoaxed. No metal plates in his body. Nothing in his house. He shocks them when he touches them. And he lights an LED he holds in his fingertips. A pure electrical energy summoned at will in his body that mysteriously defied measurement with a voltmeter. Science did it's job in this case and confirmed the existence of a new phenomenon. That's the kind of research we need with such phenomena. Willing openminded testing of it instead of outright dismissal of it as fraud. That's how we make progress in these areas. Closeminded armchair debunkery can be applied to any new phenomena at any time. But it's not science by a longshot. It's the dogmatic protection of a worldview much as religion is.

 

Eyewitness accounts of ectoplasm and apportations from physical mediums during seances (with photos!)..

https://felixcircle.blogspot.com/2014/05/real-apport-wonders-part-i-medium-lynns.html

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/862...W0FDfA.1&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/

 

Aye, it is brave enough to explore new things... but how should we explore this? All we have in front of us is a video; something that can quite easily be faked and/or "dolled up". As James said, what steps did the people recording take to prevent trickery; I can't watch it at work, but my guess is they didn't show them isolating/securing the area from outside influence et al?

How did they test/ensure this? Did they record them doing this for posterity?

That is certainly intriguing; however, if he is able to produce enough electrical charge to illuminate an LED and to create enough heat via electrical resistance to cause paper to burn, it should register on a multimeter - I would be curious to know the electrical resistance of his body.

Investigating the ways it could be faked isn't dismissal - in the absence of the ability to positively identify or confirm something, the best place to start is often to rule out what it isn't and go from there.

It is science - as an example, if you find a new plant that was previously undiscovered and looked like it could be a tasty fruit, what is the first thing that should be done? Well, you could simply eat it and see what happens... but it could be horribly toxic and kill you. It could even contain certain chemicals that would not afflict an otherwise healthy person much, if at all, but could cause intense discomfort and pain for some (case in point - lactose intolerance).

In an instance like that, faced with an unknown, the best place to start is to begin ruling out possibilities - does it contain traces of cyanide or cyanide byproducts? Does it have to be soaked in saltwater and then dried first (such as with many types of nut and seed) to remove phytic acid or other enzyme inhibitors (which can cause issues in the gut via binding to nutrients and enzymes, making for some serious digestive distress)? Does it contain a solid pit or many small seeds that could damage teeth when eating?

It isn't about necessarily disproving or discounting the unknown - rather, it is about ascertaining what it isn't in order to work towards a proof-positive method of understanding.

 

Dr. Dean Radin on the effect of meditation on supernormal abilities:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2157904-supernormal-abilities-developed-through-meditation-dr-dean-radin-discusses/?utm_expvariant=D002_02&utm_expid=21082672-18.dmPUWQm0QDq0pZBHW0FDfA.1&sidebar=morein&utm_referrer=http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/862611-ectoplasm-ghost-slime-seriously-studied-by-a-nobel-prize-laureate-and-other-scientists/?utm_expvariant=D002_02

"But academia is coming around. The U.K. is currently the hub for studying psi, with a dozen university-based programs that are sympathetic to studying psi effects.

Twenty years ago it was “almost impossible” to publish psi research in mainstream journals, Radin said. “Now we can and we are publishing an increasing number of psi-research articles in mainstream journals. One of our recent articles is in an online journal called Frontiers in Neuroscience … and most of our physics-oriented research is now published in physics journals.”

 

LMAO!

 

Thanks for confirming that you cry fake with any evidence I present. Right...I'm just making that whole documentary up. lol! I bet you have real problems with History Channel, BBC, and Nat Geo documentaries don't you?..What a strange little world you must live in. Do you consult peer reviewed science journals for the daily traffic report? Do you perform science experiments in your basement to validate news reports? And lord knows how you ever believe the weather man! Such an uncertain universe out there. However do you manage?

 

Actually I'm very selective about the shit I believe in. Documentaries on TV don't trouble me at all. Just like with most normal people. But the shit you constantly spout about fake articles and videos and photos? Yeah..that's the sort of shit I just laugh at. And what's really funny is you presenting all your made up shit as some sort of noble scientific enterprise. Clearly it isn't. The real science is being done by those investigating these phenomena I post about. The people who actually go to these places and do tests like the researchers in that documentary did proving it wasn't a hoax. But see you wouldn't know anything about that would you? Cuz for you it's all just fakery and hoaxes. Go back inside your "real" little world of fake documentaries and scammers and hoaxes James. There's nothing out here for you to see that you don't already know isn't.

 

I don't see posts by MR, but does not lying incur infraction points? Perhaps you might ask a Mod who isn't involved in the thread to decide.