former spy, die, from radioactive poison.

Discussion in 'World Events' started by krakatoa, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    If that is the case, the Russian government should be openly investigating...this says that the radioactive material is poorly guarded and anyone can take it and use it or sell it privately.
     
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  3. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Not anyone, but employees who have access. Especially in early 90s that was the case in many illegal arms and scientific equipment sales.

    And Russians won't openly investigate anything when it concerns their national security and pride. As long as they can claim that nothing has happened anyway.
     
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    .... I shouldn't worry too unduly. Polonium poisoning as an assassination tool never really never was one of the most common methods employed by the Russian Secret Service to begin with and smacks somewhat reminiscent of a previous KGB incident, again carried out here in London, back in the mid 80's involving, of all things would you believe, a specially converted hollowed out umbrella used as means of injecting specially prepared pellets of the stuff subcutaneously into the victim...

    The world of James Bond, very much here in the real one.

    Since the stuff has been known to have been used, or at the very least, attempted to have been used, here on UK soil in the past it's highly likely the Polonium used in this modern day incident originates from materials used in that original series of operations - operations Litvinenko himself, as a former ranking KGB officer, conceivably had some knowledge of.

    With international Intelligence Agencies continually on the look out for attempts to move radioactive materials into the country these days it's somewhat doubly unlikely a Kremlin sanctioned hit would even consider attempting bringing such materials into a major European capital, least of all a material so readily traceable back to the former USSR.

    Unless, of course, somebody specifically wants the world and his dog pointing the finger straight back at Putin to begin with.

    Hardly likely at all the be the Russian Government, really. Well.... Putin, at anyrate.

    Quite despite press fascination with the matter, coinciding as it does with the release of the latest in the Bond series Casino Royalé, neither the metropolitan police nor the Home Office have at all officially declared the current investigation into the incident as a Murder Enquiry.

    Somewhat tellingly continued forensic investigation coupled with the fact that, however Litvinenko actually came into contact with the Polonium-210, medical staff were first alerted to the presence of the poison by the discovery of certain unidentified metal pellets found on x-ray of Litvinenko's own intestinal track - clearly indicating, if indeed the pellets in question do prove to have been the means by which the poison was administered, that they were ingested orally...

    Somewhat peculiar things to manage to swallow unnoticed in a plate of tapas, one would have thought...
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What the hell is going on in Russia? Where's Rambo when you need him? I'm willing to bet Putin is behind this latest radioactive poisoning. B-max, thanks for your irrelevent comments, but a mafia doesn't need to kill alot of people to exercise the power of terror over the people, only the important ones, the ones that might blow the whistle on your crimes, the ones that might fight back.
     
  8. krakatoa scared! me? hummm? No,hihi. Registered Senior Member

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    Anyway the person, or these persons, that did that, have access to more of Polonium, that should also be a concern. Krakatoa.
     
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  9. If in fact actually smuggled into the country within, certainly, the very recent past - certainly. Though completely non-fissionable the idea of radioactive materials being transported across Europe, in no matter how small quantities, obviously a issue of some concern in this day and age.

    Then again the material used in silver amalgam fillings, for example, commonly available in any dentists surgery the length and breadth of the land and frequently stuffed into our skulls over here with somewhat recklessly gay abandon, remains pretty much as no less as toxic in sufficient quantity and hardly constitutes the end of civilisation as we know it....
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    This material could have existed in Russia all along.

    Mercury is much less toxic than Polonium.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    A simple fact that body of this person was poisoned by polonium 210, which as all proclaim can only be made by a government, will point huge fingers at the government.

    Now think of this, isnt it tooo obvious that it is not the government who did this but those who want the government to be seen as the one who did this.

    Russia government is not controlled by idiots, especially FSB, to choose polonoium 210 to poison the agent. It is so obvious that this was done not by Kremlin, but by those who want Kremlin blamed for everything...especially with Berezovsky coming into the scene.


    And realize this: the guy lived in England, so thats were the radioactive polonim 210 was found in ENGLAND. So it is ENGLAND not RUSSIA who need to better control their radioactive sites.
     
  12. Oh, do understand old chap - about the origins of the actual Polonium used - there's really no question at all regarding from where it came from. That indeed has been known to have been used by the former KGB most assuredly in the past, certainly here on British soil at least as far back as the early to mid 1980's...

    It's kind of one of the main elements that makes this whole incident somewhat so bizarre in so much as, when it was originally used, it smacked so much of something out of the plot of a James Bond film it immediately gripped press and public attention in a manner we haven't seen over here since until it's sudden reappearance in this present day case involving Litvinenko - problematically involving a man himself a former member of the KGB and likely privy to himself to specific information regarding intelligence operations run in Britain at the time this somewhat singular and bizarre method of dispatching undesirables first emerged.

    In short, if anyone had any idea where abouts in Britain the original consignment of Polonium_210 was first introduced and held back in the 80's, it likely would have been actually Litvinenko himself....

    Part and parcel of the reason his death is being investigated by Inquest beginning this Thursday rather than proceeding in anyway as a straight forward murder investigation - a term conspicuously not yet applied to the matter until such time as facts emerge actually warranting such.

    Please, don't get me wrong here - undoubtedly Russia is involved in the matter, but almost certainly not in the manner the press seem all to eager to take at wholly face value based wholly on the testament of a man whose avowed wish in life was to stir up as much trouble internationally specifically directed in the general direction of Valentin Putin.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That's a good point. Polonium would be sure to arouse suspicians about the Russian government. If they wanted to keep this quiet, they would have made it look like a robbery or a random shooting.

    Another point is that the Russian government did do it as a warning to anyone else, and they are beyond prosecution anyway.
     
  14. Well, yes. Precisely.
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The poisoning of former Soviet spy, Alexander Litvinenko, with polonium-210 has all the hallmarks of a well-organised state operation, possibly involving the military, according to experts...

    ...And, as an emitter of short-range alpha radiation, polonium-210 would also be easy to smuggle into the country. "You can carry it around and get it through airports without being detected. It's an ideal material," Priest says.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10668-exspys-polonium-poisoning-suggests-sophistication.html
     
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    .... Mmmmm. All the hallmarks of a well organised state operation, eh? We're the FSB actually inclined to make a hit, they'd firstly procure the services firstly of a foreign national - more likely, simply tip off a known enemy of target as to their location and just let them have at it. No first hand contact whatsoever. Nothing to implement the state.

    Moreover, I think these "experts" might find - a simple lead bullet administered to the back of the skull usually finishes the job instantaneously, doesn't leave the victim alive long enough to hold a press conference regarding their murder and all equipment OSP. Nothing to take either in or out of the country, no loose ends.

    About the very last thing this incident could ever be described as is smacking of military in nature, lest of all Spetsnaz.
     
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    But maybe that's what Putin wanted. It's a form of terrorism.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Huh? So world opinion would be turned toward him and his government??? Why, for god's sake??

    Baron Max
     
  19. Mmmmm, have to agree - doing things this way would be like writing a sign with Kick Me Hard! scrawled on it in bold lettering and cellotaping it to his own crotch - already the situation has developed into significant diplomatic incident with Putin squarely in the frame and Litvinenko death isn't even been treated as a murder case so far.

    The only conceivable faction to profit from such a set of circumstances would be the anti-Putin hardliners and their sympathisers - one of whom Litvinenko himself was most certainly one such individual and little else but.
     

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