This is crazy. I wanted to repost the rest of that old post I still owe, but I can't -- while I can post other posts, of the same length! As if there is some secret code in that text that prevents the post to be accepted by the server.
Amazing. Could a moderator please check the actual look of this thread (with all the edits visible)? Namely, the list of topics for the General Philsoophy forum says that the last post in this thread was at 01.27 PM by me, while the last post visible here is the one by Prince James at 10.10 AM (my time). EDIT: And now it suddenly showed page 9 ...
I WILL POST THIS. AND IF IT MUST BE LINE BY LINE. SOMETHING IS FOUL HERE. * * * "God doesn't rely on anything. God is uncreated. To be more exact: What does God expect? Reason or faith?" You ask as if the two were mutually exclusive ... I don't mean to be condescending, and please don't be offended, but I do think you have quite some studying ahead of you. Been there ... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! "You'll have to try this out yourself. This must be experienced, it cannot be told. Seems like brainwashing to me." You can philosophize all you want about a kiss. But speculation or expectation of a kiss are never the same as the experience of it. The same with everything else, including faith. In fact, speculating about a matter gives away that you are probably just avoiding it. "Doesn't follow. God is not every single thing. God is present in a thing, but this doesn't mean he is that thing. Say, if you have eaten a pear, this pear is present in you, but you are not that pear. Omnipresence requires God's immediate presence throughout all things. If all things are not God, God is limited, and is not within all things. To be everywhere, one must be everything, and thus God must be all things down to the infinitely small up to the infinitely large. Of course, one single thing does not amount to the totality of God, but simply a part." Let's see. So the premises you work with are these: P1. God is in all things. P2. All things, combined, are God. P3. Each thing is a part of God. In other words, you have identified God and Creation (or Universe). Which implies that prior to the Creation, God didn't exist. Which implies that God didn't create the Creation. Which implies that God and God's Creation came into being simultaneously. While this may work for an abstract philosophical construct of a god, actual religions don't support such notions. "I attain to truth in all things." But this means you presume to already know it ... "Surely. The only question is "What is A?" Anything. Anything will equal itself or cease to be itself." Logical games may be neat and entertaining, but they are useless. To know A, we must know A's identity. What A's identity is, may be impossible for us to find out with surety. "To learn to start a fire from scratch is to learn everything from the beginning of the universe. How so? I was refering to the practical, every-day, learning to start a fire from scratch, to note, not a scientific explanation for heat, elemental composition, et cetera." Think of what "from scratch" really entails! "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." - Carl Sagan "We comprehend God in our human way. I don't see anything wrong with this. As long as we keep in mind that we are comprehending in our human ways, we will not exceed our competences. I fail to see how the human way is at all limiting?" Have you ever learned something? Have you noticed how you haven't always known that thing that you've learned? Imagine what you could learn between the ages of, say 30 and 50. Now imagine you had died and ceased your learning at the age of 30. Would you not die knowing less (or less well) than at 50? "They are easy because they are true, yes. But tell me more about Godelian clauses? I am afraid I am not familiar with them." Gödel's two incompleteness theorems. Look them up. A nice soup for anyone content with his knowledge.
And this is the first part, which seems to contain some foul code or something: * * * Prince James, I hope this will go through now, I'll try to repost the rest of that troublesome post. Since I have replied to your questions and I don't want to leave you as if I hadn't.
Okay, this went through. Next. "What is wrong with urging people to be strong?" It all depends on what you mean by "strong" and "weak".
Last part first: (In psychology, this is called "midlife crisis".) This isn't strength as I see it though. I don't believe in strength anyway, it is much too relative, and the whole concept is made for the sake of keeping up appearances, thinking they are essential.
Okay. This is crazy. Going line by line, only one tiny paragraph is left: Usually, if you tell a "weak" person to be "strong",
and present a "strong" exterior, be "strong" by worldly standards (earn lots of money, be sexually successful, not be emotionally hurt, be educated etc.), while on the inside, they will be falling apart, and one day, implode.
But I can't post both of them together. The thread's topic is "For the non-believers". Speak. I am bound to hear.
I can't post "c u r l u p" either. I get: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /newreply.php on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.sciforums.com Port 80
There is a strange Apache weakness to long posts; as some worms have done the same to my own board. It is unclear whether it is on purpose, specifically, or general brodcast, but it attacks a time limit element to the boards. Just keep it simp-le and it should be fine, hopefully. You may find those combinations of words impossible, but then just don't connect them that way. It's just programming and it's very subject to anomalies! Just a minor opinion.
We also can't post p o i s o n EDIT: What?? We used to not be able to post "poison", but now we can! Scott, But do you know how much it took me to find the culprit -- to locate c u r l up??
curlup poison Apparetnly these two words can be posted together without problem Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
