fOR PROUD AMERICAN WOMEN ONLY, AND START COMPLAIN

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  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    While the United States endlessly debates the notion of women having it all, Iceland has simply made it a reality. That’s the conclusion, at least, of the annual Global Gender Gap Report, released by the World Economic Forum this week. Iceland tops the list of 136 countries ranked in terms of gender equality for the fifth year in a row — followed by fellow Nordic countries Finland, Norway, and Sweden — and a big part of the reason is the attainable work-life balance that exists there. Unlike in the United States, which came in at No. 23.

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    “These [Nordic] economies have made it possible for parents to combine work and family, resulting in high female employment, more shared participation in childcare, more equitable distribution of labor at home, better work-life balance for both women and men and in some cases a boost to declining fertility rates,” the near-400-page report notes. “Policies in some of these countries include mandatory paternal leave in combination with maternity leave, generous federally mandated parental leave benefits provided by a combination of social insurance funds and employers, tax incentives, and post-maternity re-entry programs.”

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    Add to that dreaminess the fact that all Nordic countries achieved a near-100-percent literacy rate for both sexes decades ago — and that there are top-down approaches to promoting women’s leadership (including a law in Norway requiring publicly listed companies to have at least 40 percent of each sex on their boards) — and you may just want to pack some warm sweaters and hop a flight to the land of Björk and skyr.

    The report, issued annually since 2006, measures a range of issues to determine its rankings: health, education, workforce participation, political involvement, and global competitiveness. And it’s a good reminder that gender parity is just about not only equal rights, but also efficiency.

    “Many countries have closed the gender gap in education, for example, but gender-based barriers to employment minimize their returns on that investment; their highly educated women aren't working,” notes Foreign Policy. “The highest ranking countries in the index have figured out how to maximize returns on their investment in women, and are consequently more economically competitive, have higher incomes, and higher rates of development.”

    Rounding out the ranking's top 10 are the Philippines, Ireland, New Zealand, Denmark, Switzerland and Nicaragua.

    Meanwhile, the United States is behind Cuba, Canada, and the African country of Burundi. That’s partly because of not being able to close wage gaps and participation gaps when it comes to senior and leadership positions, as well as a lack of laws mandating maternity leave, although the United States has, thank goodness, “fully closed its gender gap in education and health,” the report notes.

    America has some serious work to do for women—and not only according to this particular ranking. Earlier this year, the annual Save the World’s Mothers report ranked 176 countries based on five indicators of a mother’s well-being: the risk of maternal mortality, mortality rate of children under 5, educational status, economic status and political participation. The Nordic countries swept here, as well, followed by Spain, Belgium, and Germany. The United States came in at a barely respectable No. 30 due to poor scores in mortality rates (both child and mother), as well as political status, as compared with other highly developed nations.

    Earlier this year, the Economist created a “glass-ceiling index,” in honor of International Women’s Day, which judged 26 countries based on data including wage gaps, male-female ratios and leadership positions. New Zealand topped that list, followed by Norway and Sweden, while the United States slid in at No. 12, just behind France.

    It’s incredibly important to remember and be grateful that we’re not living in Chad, Pakistan or Yemen, which came in dead last in the Global Gender Gap Report, or in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which ranked last in the Save the World’s Mothers list. But still, icy climates are suddenly looking better and better…
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

    To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." -Genesis 3:16

    In pain shall you bring forth children, woman, and you shall turn to your husband and he shall rule over you. And do you not know that you are Eve? God's sentence hangs still over all your sex and His punishment weighs down upon you. You are the devil's gateway; you are she who first violated the forbidden tree and broke the law of God. It was you who coaxed your way around him whom the devil had not the force to attack. With what ease you shattered that image of God: Man! Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die. . . . Woman, you are the gate to hell. (Tertullian)
     
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  5. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    arauca, I can sense by your thread title, your dislike of what you've posted here.

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    I've shared this before...but...it's always worth another read:

    The Paleolithic period was likely the most gender-equal time in history.

    "Anthropologists have typically assumed that in Paleolithic societies, women were responsible for gathering wild plants and firewood, and men were responsible for hunting and scavenging dead animals. However, analogies to existent hunter-gatherer societies such as the Hadza people and the Australian aborigines suggest that the sexual division of labor in the Paleolithic was relatively flexible. Men may have participated in gathering plants, firewood and insects, and women may have procured small game animals for consumption and assisted men in driving herds of large game animals (such as woolly mammoths and deer) off cliffs. Additionally, recent research by anthropologist and archaeologist Steven Kuhn from the University of Arizona shows that this division of labor did not exist prior to the Upper Paleolithic and was invented relatively recently in human pre-history. Sexual division of labor may have been developed to allow humans to acquire food and other resources more efficiently. Possibly there was approximate parity between men and women during the Middle and Upper Paleolithic, and that period may have been the most gender-equal time in human history. Archeological evidence from art and funerary rituals indicates that a number of individual women enjoyed seemingly high status in their communities, and it is likely that both sexes participated in decision making. The earliest known Paleolithic shaman (c. 30,000 BP) was female. Jared Diamond suggests that the status of women declined with the adoption of agriculture because women in farming societies typically have more pregnancies and are expected to do more demanding work than women in hunter-gatherer societies. Like most contemporary hunter-gatherer societies, Paleolithic and the Mesolithic groups probably followed mostly matrilineal and ambilineal descent patterns; patrilineal descent patterns were probably rarer than in the following Neolithic period."


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  7. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    These are just a few of the reasons I became an athiest.
     
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    One wild card variable with women is they often want you to lie to them and/or tell them what they want to hear. This is Gigolo rule 1.0; tell her what they wants to hear, instead of the truth. "You have the most beautiful eyes." She does not want to hear you say, your eyes are slightly above average. One has to exaggerate and add spin.

    If your mate came to you and asked if she looked fat in her new dress, she is not looking for the truth, if the truth is not flattering. If her husband said, you need to go on diet and do some sit-up, she would be mad or hurt, even if this was true. She is looking for him to make her feel good even if he has to lie. But he can't be too obvious in the lie. She trains him to lie with skill. "You look perfect in anything, but that dress does not bring out your perfection as well as the other dress." We need to enter fairy tale land.

    The story of Adam and Eve uses this theme. The story has Eve being lied to by Satan. He knew what to say to appease her insecurities. "You will be like god if you eat this apple!". This made her feel good and strong, in the short term, but was not good in the long term. Women like the bad boys, because they will lie easily to get what they want.

    Much of the modern women's movement is based on good male liars having the advantage. The truth is a sour medicine, while the liars know how to sugar coat so the poison pill so tastes better. When the bible say the wife will obey her husband, what this means is outsider men, willing to lie, will have an advantage over the practical truth of the husband. If her husband said you need to diet and the stranger says you are perfect, who will she want to believe? Now he can undermine them. It is not about control, other than learning to control her tendency to want to hear lies to make her feel good. There are bad boys out there who will not do her good in the long term.

    Who would have expected more women and children in poverty since women's liberation? The liars did not say this when they presented their sales pitch.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So in other words . . . . they are a lot like men.
     
  10. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    wellwisher:

    I think there are women (and men) who might fall into such a category, but a gross exaggeration to suggest that all women fit that bill. In truth, how men view women is often attributed to how they saw their fathers treat their mothers. So, when I read these types of commentary about the "modern women's movement," I can't help but wonder how the commentator's mother was viewed by his father. (and did that create the image that he now has of women and the roles they should be playing?) Obviously, other factors may contribute, but how people tend to view the opposite sex is often based on how their parents interacted with one another, during childhood. (And, a man's view of women is often shaped in direct relation to how his own mother treated him, as a child.) Of course, the same observation can be made with women, in relation to their fathers.

    Just my $.02.
     
  11. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Have to wonder what childhood trauma made this one hate women so much.
     
  12. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    Balerion

    Rather, you should look at the lifelong indoctrination into the attitudes illustrated by spidergoat's quotes by religions. It is a result of magical thinking.

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  13. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Yes, but I know plenty of religious folks who believe a woman's place is the same as a man's. Then again, maybe wellwisher belongs to a particular misogynistic denomination.
     
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    I think we get more indoctrinated , by watching the soap opera and many other commercial advertizement then in church . Most people go to church service 2 to 3 hours per weak but TV. and radio indoctrination we get more then 4 hours per day . So I think you word indoctrination is wrong .
     
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    arauca

    I don't think you know what the concept means. Religious indoctrination is evident in your every post, you have drunk the Kool-Aide. I myself was bombarded with it throughout my childhood(I think I have always been an Atheist, it never had a chance of working), my father was a Southern Baptist Missionary and Pastor. He was a good man, over all. But being unable to accept supernatural concepts as being real made the level of such indoctrination painfully obvious. It's kind of like having an allergy to a common food ingredient, it will make you notice what foods it can be found in while others are basically oblivious to it. In America religion permeates the culture, it's taken for granted that you agree with what they believe, you are often left with a choice of being dishonest by nodding and making polite noises or being honest and triggering a reaction(there are several different types, some include actual violence, few of which are "good"). This is even more true in some Muslim cultures as well as in some Catholic countries. It is death to say you don't believe in the local god in entirely too much of this world, and I don't exclude places here in the States.

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    Is this thread about beer-making again?
     
  17. arauca Banned Banned

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    There is a problem in your wisdom : you prejudge the individuals intention , which actually don't know and I have noticed that is very common several
    of you . and on top of that judge based on your cultural experience . I am not raised in your culture , so there is a very important error in your judgment.
     
  18. arauca Banned Banned

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    Us that supposed to be a joke ?
     
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    @ Everyone,

    What does religion have to do with women's rights in our countries? The Opening Post was discussing Women's rights in various countries. Legally women must be treated the same as men. There are still problems in this area because of Pregnancy possibilities, workplace dating, etc. It is not perfect, but it is moving in correct directions. I see no room for religion in this topic as far as America is concerned. North American Laws are not based upon religion.

    @ Buddha,

    Citing the bible as a reason to become atheist makes about as much sense as someone starving themselves because they dislike carrots.

    Imagine I wrote a new version of the bible and people became atheist because of what I wrote. What does my writing have to do with the possibility that there is an underlying mass consciousness of which we are all just a piece of/god?

    Examine your beliefs. If you believe in telepathy based upon a lot of evidence (for those who bother to look) then a mass consciousness must indeed be a reality, and a greater consciousness is indeed possible. If you do not believe in telepathy then your stance is still flawed basing your disbelief on something some idiot catholics wrote several thousand years ago.

    @ OP,
    As for women's rights in Canada. Not only are women required by law to be treated equally, but in many cities here we have zero tolerance on domestic abuse which means women can unfairly accuse their spouse of a wrongdoing and the police will remove and charge the husband based only on lies in some cases. It would appear that women have more rights than men already and fear to even look at where we might be on that list, because if it gets any more "fair" for women then families here will be doomed, and 911 divorces will prevail.
     
  20. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    Everything. It is religious beliefs that drive the whole "women are inferior" meme, not laws. The laws of a country are not imposed from outside the society in democracies, they are often just reflections of the people's prejudices. Sodomy was illegal because the Bible condemned sodomy(the "crime" is named for a city in a Bible story). Same goes for women's disadvantageous position. And let's not forget slavery. Religions are central in these prejudices and fought to maintain them in law. How can we avoid talking about religion when discussing religious based prejudices?

    Interesting fact...The story of Sodom and Gammora are not about the "sin" of homosexuality, it is the story of a conflict between the infant Jewish religion and the ancient religion(and religious practices)of the worship of Ba'al (yes, the "Golden Calf" of the Ten Commandments story). Ba'al was represented by a Bull. Those of you with any exposure to porn will instantly get the connotation of that. Ba'al was a fun religion if you like the pleasures of the flesh. Mandatory universal participation in public rituals/orgies was one of the more repressive features, however. Strangers in town during those events not being excluded. Notice Lot had no problem offering up his underage/virgin daughters to "do as ye will"(more religious/cultural misogyny). The crime of Sodom was imposition of their religious values and practices on unwilling others. IE they broke the ancient Arabic/Semitic laws of hospitality. A good portion of the Old Testament is a chronicle of this conflict between the old, corrupt but politically powerful religion and the new, weak but warlike prudish one.

    Another interesting question. Do you think it is coincidence that Moses and Tutmoses have the same root? He did lead them out of Egypt, after all. His "birth story" has tints of royalty all through it. A deposed prince fleeing with his Jewish army(Exodus is a war journal, mostly), rebelling against the degradation of Egyptian culture by the powerful Ba'al religion(it was VERY popular). Cutting out an empire from the scattered city/states of the region. The warnings in Leviticus are about temple prostitutes(of either sex), not about homosexuality.

    Grumpy

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