Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by J.B, Jan 26, 2006.
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Would you treat me differently depending on whether I was black or white? I'm sure you would.
I'm better off not telling you. Why pander to your prejudices?
Yes I would treat you different, I would also understand you better.
Do you treat men different then women?
Regarding where they can live, what kinds of jobs they can get, whether they can get an education or not, how often they get pulled over by the police, no I don't.
I did not ask you if or how you treat women the same.
I asked you: "Do you treat men different then women"?
James R you have stated many times that you are in favor of Affirmitive Action programs, Right?
Affirmitive Action programs treat blacks differently.
Maybe you should try to be more specific in future. In one situation, I might act differently towards women than men. In a different situation I might act the same towards both. You need to ask what you really want to know or all I can give you is a vague answer.
Depends on the programme.
Yes, but not because of the colour of their skin.
Does not the color of their skin represent to you a disadvantaged person?
Sometimes. It depends on the person.
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Hey a stupid idea!!!!! Blacks and whites aqnd hispanics and asians and indians and arabs are different breeds!! Like ya know there are a crapload of different breeds of cats, and they have slightly different physical characteristics and personalities, but they are all part of the same species.
If personality is breed, how many breeds of cat are there? Two. the domesticated, and the wild.
How many breeds of human are there? We don't even know at this point, but just like muts, most humans are unrecognizeable from the original breeds.
How many people here, have blonde hair, blue eyes, pure aryan, or at least in appearance?
Why do we always ignore personality and character in exchange for gender and race? Not all women, or men are of equal character, it's very much an individual judgement. I don't judge people in groups, I judge them 1 at a time, based on their character and personality.
So, you could have a perfect looking racially pure blonde haired blue eyed woman, such as Paris Hilton, and I still may not find her as attractive as someone with a pure character or personality. Good women are so rare these days, yet attractive women are so common.
Ok these "facts" of yours are so ridiculous that I cannot make sense of it. Blacks only make up what, 12% of the population? It's impossible for 12% to commit 50% of the crime.
And out of the perhaps millions around you, just how many of them do you think you can get to know based on personality and character? 25? 50?
So ...what of the other gazillion-minus-50 people? What do you do about them? Surely you don't base you judgement on those 50 that you actually know? ...cause if you do, then that's being judgemental in the same way, ain't it?
Personally, I give you a high grade in "idealism", but a damned poor grade in "realism".
Ahh, so you're judging all women based on the personal observations of only a few women? Hmm, I need to think about that some ....perhaps you should, too, huh?
What would you say if I judged all black men by that same logic??? Hmmm?
The only people who matter are the people I know the character and personality of. The point is, my friends are of every appearance type, how many will I get to know? That is debateable, but there are ways to know people. The simple fact is, there are people you'll be compatible with, millions of them, and you'll know who they are, it's just a matter of finding them.
In my opinion, if you have good character, if you have a sense of morality or ethics, if you also have logic and a sense of realism, eventually you'll know that race does not matter much.
A violent white man, is the same as a violent black man. A white rapist is the same as a black rapist. An asian jerk is the same as a white or black jerk. There is no difference among the races in character or personality type, and thats the ultimate proof that race as a construct is not real. It is possible to have friends of all races, so why not take advantage of that possibility? Why limit yourself?
If it were stock wouldn't you consider diversification logical?
Hmm, perhaps. But it seems, percentage wise, that there are more violent black men than white men. Most all of the crime stats prove that, don't they? Blacks make up only about 12% of the population, yet they make up some 60% of the violent convicts in the USA. So...?
How do you know that ...if you don't know each and every one of them personally? Again you seem to be judging people that you DON'T know, based on the few individuals that you DO know. And that's no different to how a racist judges people ....your way just sounds/seems better, but it isn't!
Maybe they don't want to ...and yet you're judging them because of it. That ain't nice of you, is it? If a person doesn't want to get to know black people, then that's his right and freedom to do so .....and you shouldn't be telling him what he should do or how he should think.
I'm not telling anyone what to think. I'm simply stating what is rational in the scientific and economic sense, when you do science experiments, you don't just do your experiment on one test sample, or even on one restricted group, you do your experiment on all groups. When you invest, you don't spend all your money investing in one company, you invest in many companies. You only increase your chances of success through diversification. If you want a good woman or man you only increase your chance of finding one by playing toward the numbers instead of restricting yourself to limited numbers. If you want good friends, you only increase your odds of meeting them if you are willing to give all people a chance. It's the individual who stands to gain form diversity, not groups, not them, you. You can gain from diversity, you can meet more quality people if you don't limit yourself to a small pool from which to choose from.
Look, if you want to limit yourself, if that makes you happy, fine, talk to only people who look like you, I'm not really going to care. What I'm saying is, it's in my best interest to invest in the majority of the world, population, which means all groups. I'lm open to friendship with gays, bisexuals, homosexuals, whites, blacks, asians, christians, muslims, pagans, capitalists, communists, meat eaters, vegetarians, rich or poor, young or old, strong or weak, male or female, even animals that arent human and space aliens, if they follow the rules of friendship based on our agreed definition.
Ain't that exactly what the Neo-Nazis and such groups say?
Well, to be left alone to think and feel the way they want is all the Neo-Nazis and such groups want. I'm sure they all thank you for your support of their equal rights to the freedom to hate and denigrate whoever they want.
Why is it impossible for 12% of the population to commit 50% of crime? 50% of the population (men) commit about 95% of the murders.
The Color Of Crime
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
Men get caught for murder more often because women like to use poison while men like to beat people up with a big club. This does not mean women don't murder.
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