First Doses of H1N1 flu vaccine shipping

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by EndLightEnd, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    um string your right that antibotics have no effect on viruses, they only work on bacteria (not fungal infections BTW, thats antifungal medication). However there ARE vacines for SOME bacterial infections, meningococcal is one example
     
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  3. superstring01 Moderator

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    Ahhh. So true. So true.

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  5. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    So in other words, were do these epidemics come from?
    Well first off, there always were epidemics and people may have died en masse. But they would have been local. Nowadays, people travel the world and a global epidemic is not so far-fetched. Especially since we live so closely packed.
    Secondly, a lot of viruses seem to originate from the jungles where they didn't have any contact with humans and they and their hosts have evolved a non-lethal relationship. Humans are invading more and more previously undisturbed areas.
     
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  7. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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  8. christa Frankly, I don't give a dam! Valued Senior Member

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    well from what i have heard about H1N1, is that you are a at a higher risk of death if you have underlying immune problems. If you are a healthy person in the first place, your chance of death is like 10%.. Also, symptoms of H1N1 are mirror of the flu. except you get the runs on top of it all..

    If i can remember right, when you are sick, you are advised to drink ALOT of fluids to keep you hydrated.. and if you dont, you could die... umm... this H1N1 is just like the flu.. both have a risk of death if you do not take care of yourself.

    Ive had 1 flu shot in my life, and i went from feeling great, to 2months of feeling like crap. and I dont really think my daughter has ever had a flu shot....
     
  9. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    Lol, in my country the doc chamber actually doesn't support the flu vaccine. They say that it's way too dangerous as it's not been properly tested, and therefore they are not supportive of it. Docs themselves don't want to get this vaccine shot either, so...I think that says enough about the situation, and the chances of becoming an other Desiree Jennings are just way too high.
     
  10. superstring01 Moderator

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    What country are you from? I'd be interested in seeing/reading something from that chamber of doctors.

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  11. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it's hard to come by, especially in English.

    But here is a forum discussing the article of today about said topic, and they give a pretty nice English explanation about the article's subject.
    http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=138473.0
     
  12. christa Frankly, I don't give a dam! Valued Senior Member

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    it probly doesnt help that in our state we have yet to even receive the vaccine, and they say that 10 people have already died from it.. hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

    i knew i lived in the crappy state! we are low on all the good "statistics" but rank high on the bad ones!
     
  13. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    While that's true Enmos, I really doubt any primitive clans were wiped out by a flu virus.
     
  14. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I know someone who died in a car accident. I don't know about you, but I'm walking everywhere from now on - driving just isn't worth the risk.
     
  15. superstring01 Moderator

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    There's more to existence than just "survival of the tribe". Parents with children who die from random diseases, like the flu don't, mourn less just because the species survives.

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  16. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Well I'm going to put my faith in my fine Genetics than the hands of a lab rat and a petri dish.
     
  17. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    It's use is to save the lives of pediatric patients, elderly, and the immunocompromised. Us being healthy, non-elderly adults are not at risk, which is why flu vaccines aren't recommended for everyone.

    It's called being cognizant of medical science. I know this is harder for those of you not working in a hospital on a daily basis, but please do smarten up.
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    Do you have children?

    That question aside, I am curious, are you opposed to the Flu vaccine? The H1N1 vaccine? Vaccines in general?

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  19. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    As I've checked on my source again, I had to admit that the linked page wasn't too clear about the article, and more filled with opinions, so I've made a personal primitive 5 min. translation of the following article myself: http://zpravy.idnes.cz/bojime-se-od...ce-puj-/domaci.asp?c=A091002_110113_domaci_jw

    And honestly, I understand the doctors doubts, and fears concerning this product. If something goes wrong the makers of the product will not be held accountable. This is a definitive hint that the product is still just in testing phase.
     
  20. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Actually 'healthy' people are being encouraged and in some cases pressured to take the vaccine, despite things like


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10640454

    which indicates that one of the adjuvants, squalene, in the vaccine may cause severe immune system problems down the line.

    The German military and government has decided to use a clean vaccine
    http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/10/german-soldiers-to-receive-different.html

    and it might be wise for people to question why they must take one filled with additives, many of which are problematic. When the vaccines were tested for safety, THEY WERE TESTED WITHOUT the various questionable additives. Further, since the effects of these additives can be long term rather than short term, the testing procedures - quick and sloppy - were not remotely adequate.

    Another thing people should know is that the suppliers of these vaccines are facing a wide variety of criminal charges throughout the world: fraud, withholding of evidence that their products were damaging, illegal experiments on children, experiments on the homeless in Poland resulting in deaths, tax evasion, and more. Further Baxter Ltd. one of these companies supplied the Czech Republic with a vaccine that contained

    both live virus AND live season flu virus...

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

    which would, obviously, have spread the disease incredibly rapidly. At the very least this was incredible incompetence. Nevertheless this company continued to get contracts and is supply vaccines to millions and millions of people.

    Large doses of vitamin D do just as well if not better than flu vaccines, without any of the short term and long term side effects.
     
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  22. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    No kids, but I do have a healthy (relatively) immune system.

    I'm opposed to the flu vaccines, because it it in the hands of increasingly under trained, health professionals and developed and cultivated by corporations I do not trust one bit. It goes against my #1 creedo, a well known one. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
     
  23. superstring01 Moderator

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    But no issues with other vaccines?

    Well, you're not alone. A good chunk of the population avoids flu vaccines for the same reason. They just don't think it's needed.

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