Finding Salvation

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Pipes75, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I understan what you'r sayin.!!!

    Will these rong-doin folk be in misery while in hell.???

    Yes thats clear... but are children borned in Christan familys in America jus as likely to wind up in heaven as children borned in Muslim familys in Afganistan.???
     
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  3. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    Good, that is all I ask. If you understand that makes me more sensible.

    They get punished justly and accordingly to their so called sins or evil deeds. No one will be dealt with unjustly on Resurrection Day, that is what I read in The Koran. It's a fair deal. Why would I choose to be unfair?

    There is no difference. The only difference between any human being is whether you decide to do good deeds or evil deeds. This will most likely make you the person you are today, or the persona God will Judge later on.
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Will these rong-doin folk be in misery while in hell.???

    What hapens to 'em after ther justly punished.???
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    ...are children borned in Christan familys in America jus as likely to wind up in heaven as children borned in Muslim familys in Afganistan.??? ”

    Is ther anythang incorect in the Holey-Bible or the Koran.???
     
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  7. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    Depends. What I have interpreted some will be sent to heaven. There will also be souls that will stay there.

    Quote from the Koran. God will sort out those who believe, as well as those who have become Jews, Sabeans, Christians, Magians, from those who associate [others with Him], on Resurrection Day. God is a Witness for everything. Have you not seen how whoever is in Heaven and whoever is on earth drops down on his knees before God, as well as the sun, moon and stars, the mountains, trees and animals, and many people, even some [of those] deserving torment? Anyone whom God weakens will have no one to honor him. God does anything He wishes.


    Contradictions.

    1. Jesus is not the Son of God. We are all children of God. That makes us sons and daughters.

    2. Jesus worshiped God and not himself. We do not worship Jesus, we worship/give thanks to God.

    3. Jesus did not die for our sins. Jesus was not even killed. God switched Judas with Jesus and they crucified Judas, while God took Jesus into heaven.

    4. Jesus did not die for our sins. Jesus was not even killed. God switched Judas with Jesus and they crucified Judas, while God took Jesus into heaven. Anyone that believes in God would know that God would never let anyone punish Jesus in physical or spiritual form.

    5. The Bible condemns everyone that does not believe the above. That is a false statement. God only condemns atheists/pagans. The rest, so called believers will be judged one by one.

    If I look at these contradictions I don't see how it would chance the Christian religion in anyway. There are others but very minor. These are slightly more important, they give you intentions. Other than this They Both pretty much cover the basis of being a good person.

    The Koran I have read 40 sections so far, no contradictions. I did find a couple of sayings that seem like contradictions but I just misunderstood them. I'm Muslim, but I don't speak arabic. I am reading The Koran in english. I started reading The Koran just recently and it amazed me, by it's fairness and language there are no mistakes that I have found so far and no one else thus far. I was reading some of The Bible before this and The Bible is from God slight the things I pointed out.
     
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    Source?
     
  9. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    lol

    Oh, let's not get all crazy and rational here....


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  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    What hapens to 'em after ther justly punished.???

    Whats the purpos of 'em stayin in hell after they have been justly punished.???
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    That Jesus dyed for our sins is perty much the basis of Christan beleifs... but you thank a Christan is jus as likely to make it to heaven as a Muslim... so aparently it dont mater what you'r beleifs are... yes.???
     
  11. Pipes75 Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't need religion to find my salvation.
    This is getting full of extreme points of view, and their is not only one way to find what you need!
    You don't need God to find it in yourself, although some choose that way, and spiritual guidance of some form can certainly help, no matter what it is. But not everyone needs the same thing, or the same road.
    Metephoric truth can be found everywhere, and all religions can form as spiritual guidance for those that seek one of those paths.

    Evolution is full of truth, although I don't know if I believe it was all natural, but either way it wasn't God that physically created us, God is everything, and therefor responsible for the creation of everything. You can't see everything all at once, so don't expect to see a physical form, if God has a physical form, it would be whatever form the universe has. We are looking from the inside. I don't even need to call everything God, to still know theirs something beyond.
    Apes, monkey and man have an unknown common ancestor. Many things could still fit in with who or what the missing link is. My fav is still ET - gives some science, with some fantasy, but still has a version of God as the whole shabang!

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    My point is, it doesn't matter what you believe in, as long as you can still love and respect eachother. If we all did that, their wouldn't be near as many violent problems, because we still love and respect those we disagree with!


    Forgiving everyone for everything, and forgiving yourself for every mistake made is all you need to do to save yourself, for those that need saving.
    To those still not ready yet, your time will come, but I respect your desire to find it for yourself.
    Since I'm against all forms of violence, I'm not sure how many free minds it will take to change the world, nor do I have a clue on how to change it, other then sharing my love and respect. But I welcome any that are ready to join.

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    Dyw, I'm done playing games with you.
    You just don't understand anything, or you're using ignorance cause you don't want to. I know ignorance is bliss, so I hope your misguided perceptions doesn't take that as an insult or as any form of judgement, I still love and respect you. But you'll need to find your own path. I'm not a guide, and I can't explain it all.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Do you beleive people wind up in a heaven or a hell after they dye.???
     
  13. Pipes75 Registered Senior Member

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    People live in Heaven and Hell here on earth, so sure their are probably many different places that could be called that.

    Heaven and Hell are just the perceptions of where you are, we sometimes don't see Heaven until we've been through Hell

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    Although, I do have a hutch theirs a city of light somewhere, I'll find it if it's their

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  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    So did God create "hisself".???

    Do you thank that people somtimes deserve punishment.???
     
  15. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    NO , MAN created GOD for MAN's own usefulness in controlling others.
     
  16. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    God.
     
  17. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    So if man created God to control others. Why is it that I believe in God and I do not listen to any man or woman but to God?

    Please don't say stupid things that don't make sense.
     
  18. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    lol

    Fallacy: ad verecundiam
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    lol

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  20. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    hehe

    I'm glad someone got it...
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, you must have been hallucinating. Jesus did die on the cross, and he stayed dead. There was no resurrection and no flying to heaven on some cloud. Forget it.
    And before you ask.. it was God that told me.
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I needed to translate it first though

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  23. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    LOL. So gods talking to you ?
     

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