FEMA Concentration Camps

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by Orleander, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    AURGH. I have a friend who is swallowing all of this hook line and sinker. I don't know if its because she is Muslim and worried or because she's gullible.

    What have you all heard about this?

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  2. spidergoat alien lie form Valued Senior Member

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    I think FEMA should have that power, and they should shoot anyone that resists. Remember, they would only use such power if there were some severe emergency like a disease outbreak. I'm not going to die just because some stupid nutcase thinks they are going to gassed by our lizard overlords.
     
  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    This is a first for me. I've not heard this one before this was posted. There are always going to be people out there trying to find things that they can somehow tie together and make a case against the government but usually it is only to gain attention to them and whatever they are trying to sell, a book, movie or whatever. I wouldn't worry about this new idea about an old , worn out subject, and only be prepared for the Mayan end of the Earth!:eek::rolleyes:
     
  4. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you say, "swallowing all of this hook line and sinker?" It is documented and true you know?

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/femalist.htm

    But you know, the politicians are corrupt, they'll do what they want to try to stay in power, enrich themselves, and enslave the populace. It might work in any other nation on Earth, but I'm not convinced it will work here. The reason she probably believes this, is because it is what they are attempting to do, and she is more well read than you are.

    Perhaps she is a foreigner and is familiar with what goes on in other countries? Perhaps she is also aware that the first targets will be aliens? So if she lives in the U.S., tell her our history and culture are different. They may have gotten away with it in New Orleans when a massive hurricane swept though, but it will take something like that on a nationwide scale to use such dictatorial powers here. IOW, hell and high water would have to come, not a government induced emergency. Already Americans are at the end of their rope and don't trust the government. FEMA's performance after Katrina was dismal, so to use such power again on a nation-wide scope would be a truly far fetched power grab, I really don't think the average American would tolerate it. If the TV, movies, computers, and professional sports all came to a halt and there were no more distractions? I don't think the American independent spirit would tolerate being herded like cattle and being told how they were going to rebuild their civilization. Nope, just isn't going to happen.
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    It's interesting that you should post this topic at this time. I have been doing a lot of reading lately that the occupy protests that were initiated by Ad-busters and funded by the elites such as the Soros foundations, were actually a counter-intelligence move by the establishment to justify just such a move in response to the disintegration of the West's and the Nations economy. Alternatively, I have heard some reliable reports that the movement has been infiltrated by agent provocateurs to ignite a spark to likewise justify such a move. Either way, since the movement isn't concentrating on the issue that are at the heart of the problem, it seems a plausible explanation, and maybe a wise move to steer clear of these disturbances for the time being until they become less suspect with a little more direction and aim.
     
  5. leopold i miss my coco. Valued Senior Member

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    do you think FEMA should have this power in times of emergencies such as the flood of new orleans?

    it's amazing how someone can take something that is perfectly legit and turn it into something sinister.

    FEMA concentration camps. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Kittamaru That which cannot be known Moderator

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    Personally, I don't see the issue here - we are seeing already, with the Occupy protests, that military men and women are going to fight for what THEY believe is right, not always what they are ordered to do... the fact that uniformed marines and army soldiers are getting between protesters and police in an attempt to protect said protesters... they are not sheep. They know the difference between right and wrong... and I believe that, in a time of peril wherein such a corrupt act of government such as a wrongful institution of martial law (and don't get me wrong, there ARE times when Martial Law can be a necessity, like it or not), they will fight for what this country (which they have protected with their very lives) was founded for and it's beliefs, not what someone tells them to do.

    At the same time, I believe the American Population will have to fend for itself.

    Though, again, I don't really see this as an issue because, well, trying to implement something like this... it'd be much more difficult than giving a simple "go" word...
     
  7. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html
    Internment / Resettlement Specialist (31E)
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    Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.

    Some of your duties as an Internment/Resettlement Specialist may include:
    • Assist with the supervision and management of confinement and detention operations
    • Provide external security to confinement/corrections facilities or detention/internment facilities
    • Provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program
    • Prepare or review reports and records of prisoners/internees and programs
     
  8. spidergoat alien lie form Valued Senior Member

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    Oh nooooessss!
     
  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    I just have to wonder about the mental health of people who seriously believe in conspiracies as wack as this one.
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Its a camp, fit to hold people under marshal law. Its a step towards tyranny thats all Im saying. I have to wonder about the mental health of the man who can't see the capabilities of one of these camps.
     
  11. Xotica Everyday I’m Shufflin Registered Senior Member

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    Couple of years ago, I stumbled upon an article by one of these tin hats. He even listed FEMA internment camp locations, and one happened to be located about 30 miles from me. So one fine day I took a lazy drive out there. Absolutely nothing. Just farmland. Not even a sentinel Port-A-Potty :mad:
     
  12. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    That just proves that the supertopsecret cloaking devices were working. And they were engaged because they knew you were coming. Because there is a chip in your brain, and "they" know what you're going to do before you do.
     
  13. Billy T Please use Sugar Cane Alcohol Fuel Moderator

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    First from the maker´s announcement of contract award:

    “… The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.

    "We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE," said Ron Johnson, President of ATK's Security and Sporting group. "The HST is a proven design that will continue to serve those who keep our borders safe."

    ATK will produce the ammunition at the Federal Cartridge Company facility in Anoka, Minn. Deliveries are expected to begin in June. ...”

    From: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/at...on-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12

    Now for a more paranoid POV / evaluation:
    “…"hollow point" ammunition is never purchased for practice or training. This ammunition is purchased for the sole purpose of being used in active fighting. At the same time, it is a violation of the Geneva Convention to use hollow point ammunition on the battle field.

    This is crucial to understand. It means the occupying federal government is acquiring this ammunition to be used against the American people. Furthermore, DHS does not fight wars overseas. It is a domestic agency with domestic responsibilities. Its purchase of .40 ammunition is a clear and obvious indication that DHS plans to wage war on the American people.*

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html#ixzz1t0ffRemp …”

    This 2nd quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html

    * If that were true, the order´s 450 million rounds would have more than 1,000 bullets for every person who took part, even just for a minute or two, in the 99%ers demonstrations against current US version of "capitalism." Talk about your "over kill" but hell order supports a business and it is only tax-payer´s money! :rolleyes:

    But read their links - it gets much worse. For example:

    "... . The military will be kept out of it precisely because most soldiers would refuse to participate in tyranny, as they actually have morals and ethics. TSA agents, on the other hand, are child porn distributors, pimps, drug runners, child molesters, thieves, felons and perverts. They are the security force that has no moral bounds -- they will do ANYTHING to another person as long as they get a paycheck. These are the pot-bellied government thugs who will happily torture, rape and murder innocent Americans if they are ordered to do so. They are the "Brownshirts" of Amerika. ..." { also note spelling of America in last word.}
     
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  14. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Total BS.


    They buy one type of ammo and use it for practice and to carry in the field.
    Use of your field ammo for practice insures you will always have relatively fresh ammo on you.

    And NO, it is not against the Geneva Convention to use them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
     
  15. Billy T Please use Sugar Cane Alcohol Fuel Moderator

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    I labeled the second quote as a "paranoid POV," but hollow points are not against the Geneva Convention only because they were outlawed long before there was a Geneva Convention. To quote from your link:

    " The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, ... NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

    Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation. ..."

    You must like to score points on the technicality that it was earlier conventions and treaties (which you do not name) instead of the Geneva Conventions" that made hollow point bullets illegal in war.
     
  16. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    You must like to score points on the technicality

    Yes. He likes that very much. Very, very, very much.
     
  17. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah Billy, I gave the link you are quoting from.

    The Military doesn't use hollow points simply because they can be stopped by body armor, not because of that ancient Hague convention.

    Indeed, the bullets they do use are FAR more damaging than those bullets you mentioned and are designed to penetrate a flack jacket or even the side of a vehicle and still do an incredible amount of damage.

    And yet, just like the hollow point, they don't want the bullet to just go through the target, these bullets are specifically designed to yaw when they hit soft tissue, so as they go through the target they tumble and they also fragment and create multiple lethal wound tracks and they do it effectively at very long distances.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO
     
  18. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, disputing this BS is just a technicality:

    The REALITY is so many of the posters on this board post so much BS as to make a complete mockery of the forum's name.

    I mean when we have someone who posts that the US became a NET exporter of OIL in 2011, and even when shown, the moderators could care less, it seems to me that the claim to be science based is circling the drain.
     
  19. Billy T Please use Sugar Cane Alcohol Fuel Moderator

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    I know that when one presents two different POVs one of which is opposed to your standard Pro-business POV you react.

    I first quoted for the Maker of the hollow point bullets announcement of the award of contract for purchase of up to 450 million bullets, which did include some of their advantage in urban / police use (Not likely to pass thru "bad guy" and kill someone behind him, or if cop misses, ricochet off brick wall and hit someone else, one slug in the bad guy, usually stops him, etc.)

    Then I quoted from another source, which I labeled as "paranoid." It is this later source that you are calling BS and they were technically wrong to state that hollow points were prohibited by the Geneva Convention, when it is the much earlier Hague convention that prohibited their use in war. That is a very common error - even your link, notes that most people falsely think it is a Geneva Convention prohibition. - Probably because few have even heard of the older Hague Convention.

    They were not wrong to question the size of the order, IMHO. Buying 1.5 hollow point bullets for every man, woman, and child in the USA*, does seem to me to be an excessive waste of the tax payer’s money.

    I know presenting both POVs instead of just the pro-business one disturbs you, but I don´t plan to adopt your "present only one POV" as only the pro-business POV is not BS.

    *As something like 99% of all cops fire at bad guys less than once per year** and typically (just guessing) less than 1% of the US population are policemen, that means the business got order for >15,000 times more bullets than will be fired at each bad guy in a year.

    ** Most cops are office workers or raising funds for the city by writing traffic tickets, I think. - That is not saying that when they ticket some drunk doing 60mph on a neighborhood street, they are not doing a very important job, but truth is tickets do raise money (and many think each cop doing traffic control does have a "quota" to fill.)

    I was once passing thru small PA town, in a long line of cars. We were all about 10mph over the speed limit. A cop pulled me (and only me) over gave me a ticket. I could got to court now to get hearing date in a few weeks and then return from >300 miles away and go to court, or just give him a $100 "to take to the judge" and be on my way. They don´t give tickets to locals - but collect a "tax" on out of state drivers doing exactly what the locals do. I think that cop was in business for himself and could not collect from locals.
     
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  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    This has nothing to do with pro-business Billy, that post was just BS paranoia.

    So if you think the source is being PARANOID, why would you post it?

    And this stuff you posted goes FAR beyond being paranoid Billy.

    It specifically states that the purpose of these bullets is to:

    And you even posted their supposed justification for that assertion:

    And that's what I labeled as BS.

    They do use the same ammo for practice and training.

    Well they aren't actually buying that many Bullets, it's a contract for UP TO that many bullets and it's also spread over 5 years.

    And the contract is for both DHS and ICE, and together that's over 150,000 people (and DHS includes the US Coast Guard) and so if just 100,000 of them have to maintain proficiency with a handgun, at 300 rounds per person every 6 months, that's ~60 million rounds per year, add in much greater rounds for initial training and NO, IMHO it isn't that big of a contract and that has nothing to do with being "pro business".
     

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