Feeling horny all the time...

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  1. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    That claim is very debatable. Chronicles of the time put Aisha's age at 18. When the marriage was consumed.
     
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  3. PHPlatonica Im over myself now... Registered Senior Member

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    oh jeez huwy! Where is the psychology in a statement like that?
    That is just asking for some one to feel horrible. Or angry.

    Your grouping religions as if they are "ALL" this way. This isn't so. Some one in your field especially should be more sensitive to that.

    BUT! speaking of which, there is this awesome topic about serial killers, and I wonder what your view, opinion and knowledge in it is

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    But, really. Hurtful statements about another's beliefs should be kept to ones self. Especially for a psychologist as smart as you seem.

    Muslim, I do not know what would help at all. But the fact that you are looking for help, shows devotion to your faith. I think that is commendable of you . You are on the right path for you. I think

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  5. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    Aren't I showing that I'm sensitive to people worshipping someone who (apart from killing a lot of people) married and had sex with a child under the age of 10?

    Aren't I being sensitive to the problem of child molestation by priests? By the raping of children and women in islamic states?

    What, because i'm studying psych I have to be "sensitive" to people's beliefs, so I don't risk insulting them - whilst simultaneously ignoring the human rights abuses carried out in the names of those religions? The lives destroyed by those abuses?

    Unbind yourself from your double standards of political correctness and look at the bigger picture, then you'll see how I'm being sensitive.

    (don't believe the lie some muslims will invent just to appease the west - that aisha was older than 9).

    Actually, the hadiths put aisha at 9.
    What chronicles put her at 18?
     
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  7. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    Stop lying you motherfucker!

    Muslims don't regard the hadeeth to be the word of god, they are based on hearsay, so come directly from the source I.e Mohamed and others are based on hearsay. However Chronicles of the time, had research behind them unlike the hadeeth the hadeeth were just taken as a fact.

    Let me remind you this was 1400 years ago, no one kept dates of how old they were. Ashia herself was confused of her age, so how the fuck could you know her age if she didn't know it? the hadeeth were written 100 or so years later after the death of Aisha.

    According to Abd ar Rahman ibn Abi Zannad, Aisha was 10 years younger than her sister Asma. (Siyar a´lâm an-nubalâ', adh-Dhahabî, Vol. 2, p. 289, Mu'assat ar-Risâla, Beirut, 1992). That is also confirmed by Ibn Kathir (al-Bidâya wa-n-nihâya, Ibn Kathîr, Bd. 8, S. 371, Dâr al-Fikr al-´Arabî, al-Dschîza, 1933). Virtually all other historical reports also agree in this matter. Ibn Kathir also reports that Asma was present when her son died in 73 AH and she herself died 5 days thereafter (other reports differ slightly, giving between 5 and 100 days between the deaths of the two). At the time of her death she was 100 years old (al-Bidâya wa-n-nihâya, Ibn Kathîr, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dâr al-Fikr al-´Arabî, al-Dschîza, 1933). This is also confirmed by Ibn Hadschar al-´Asqalânî who reports that she died in 73 or 74 AH at the age of 100 years. (Taqrîb at-tahdhîb, Ibn Hadschar al-´Asqalânî, p. 654, Bâb fi-n-nisâ', harfu l-alif, Lucknow). But this means, of course, that Asma was 27 or 28 years old at 1 AH and the 10 years youger Aisha already 17 or 18, so when Muhammad and Aisha started to live together she was already 19 or 20.

    Most Muslims generally agree that Aisha had reached the age of puberty at her marriage. This would be unlikely for a 9 year old. In addition, Aisha was already termed 'bikr', meaning virgin adult woman even when the marriage was discussed, i.e. 3 years before the actual marriage. (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. 210, Dâr Ihyâ' at-Turâth al-´Arabî, Beirut).
     
  8. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously dude, I don't know what the fuck is your problem. Look at the west, whats the difference a girl at 16 can have sex with any random dude and her father can't stop her while she lives under his roof?

    Try to have some fucking sense, you've really pissed me off and I don't really get mad that easily.
     
  9. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    but you ws raving and ravin on to me how you drooled at the thought of war not that longago, so i wouldpresume getting mad would be an enoyable pastime for yo...?
     
  10. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    On average fewer women get raped in Islamic states then they do in the west, your argument is all wrong. You’re using a logical fallacy; your arguments conclusion doesn’t follow from the arguments premises. Why not talk about all the women that get raped in the west? Pot calling the kettle black! Even Atheists rape children remember that women, who fondled with a black kid in school? You’re trying to say just because someone follows a particular belief then he is more likely to rape someone. That is as dumb as thinking every gay man is a rapist or wants to have sex with you. Your personality defines who you’re. No religion tells you do any raping or abusing of children.

    Like I said even if your argument was true 500 Million women would be abused everyday. And there are Human rights abuses in all places, Stalin was an Atheist what? Does that mean all Atheists are human rights abusers? Stop generalizing. I mean it’s funny that a 22 year old kid like me has to tell you this. It should be the other way round. We can see your true colours you’re an intolerant close minded person.

    This is what happens when you try to be overly smart; you make an ass out of yourself. But seriously I am letting that slide as I’ve already proved her age is debatable. And leading chroniclers of the time put Aishas age at 18 – 19.

    Let me tell you something many Muslims don’t even believe in the hadeeth, they just use them to interpret the words of the Qu’ran and are generally just read as the sayings of the prophet. They are no historical documents commenting on historical facts like the ages of individuals. There were chroniclers for that. The hadeeth came a 100 years after Aishas death, the chronicles are of the time.

    Also let me tell you something Mohammed had many enemies at the time, don’t you think they would have used that against him to assassinate his character? Also if you read the biography of Mohammed from natural sources you will realizes he was a very honest and tolerant man. You know, why people attack someone character in an argument? Is when they lose the debate. There are even few letters sent by Mohammed which if you read you can realizes how Mohammed was really. In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (s) granted a Charter of Privileges to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the protection of Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service, and the right to protection in war . And here are Mohammed letters to other Kings, Heraclius, Chosroes II, Negus, ect… Mohammed’s letter to King Chakrawati Farmas (of India) If you take the time, when you’ll realizes how Mohammed’s character actually was. Rather then reading b.s refer to factual historical documents of Mohammed’s life and his actions.
     
  11. Muslim Immortal Valued Senior Member

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    I was messing with you.
     
  12. PHPlatonica Im over myself now... Registered Senior Member

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    you say your a Humanist. But my opinion baby, is that your a SOCIALIST.

    You want to keep it all "as is". But you know what, the Muslims do too. So how come WE are over there? and THEY aren't killing us over here? Come on now. And that isn't even fair because it was a side group of Muslim fanatics not ALL Muslims.

    And not ALL priests molest little boys. You, OF ALL people, because of your studies my love, should KNOW this. What's that saying I love "All poodles are Dogs, but not ALL dogs are poodles." You KNOW this. Do not Group them together like that. And so WHAT if Mohammad nailed a little girl of Nine years old way back when? It's in the CULTURE, they aren't Doing it now. They aren't promoting it NOW.

    Check this out, Did you know how many WHITE PEOPLE had BLACK SLAVES?
    Do you know HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS? When it was ACCEPTABLE THEN?
    It isn't now, is it. So don't GROUP Muslim in any category like that because he isn't the Taliban (taliban? what ever) ....

    Your behavior is EXACTLY what is so despised about Racism. A group of black teen age males, for reasons I feel are obvious but still inexcusable, formed GANGS back in the when and SHOT and killed and "DRIVE BY'd" a lot of people! Should we say "ALL BLACK TEEN AGE BOYS, and YOUNG Boys ARE LIKE THAT?"
    Because it's the same fucking thing. You can not PROVE to me that it isn't. YOU and your statement about the Muslims religion is NO better then the Gospel the KKK Preaches.

    And your a "HUMANIST".. no.. Your a borderline racist. People like YOU should back the hell out of psychology before your own PERSONAL opinions INFECT the Psyches of those desperate for help.

    God.. and you seemed so ... Smart.
     
  13. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    WTF? Dude my being a secular humanist has nothing to do with socialism.


    I do NOT want to keep it all as is, and for your information I have always been opposed to the invasion of Iraq, even before it began.
    Let me ask you, did you go to the protests? I did.

    I am far more afraid of George W Bush and his crazy born again neocons - I mean, what if that guy believes in the rapture - in judgement day? That's just as bad as dying for jihad.


    Obviously importing slaves that was a huge atrocity, not to mention a big mistake. Of course that is a major human rights abuse, but black slavery has ended. Honour killings, have not ended. Do you know what an honour killing is?

    """Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:

    Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members who are perceived to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by her family for a variety of reasons including, refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has acted in a manner to bring "dishonor" to the family is sufficient to trigger an attack. """

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    Go on, if you are so open minded yourself, go and google "honor killings", and you will see what I am complaining about. They are rampant in places like pakistan.

    Of course we shouldn't say that, I've never said that. I'm not complaining about all muslims, I have a pen pal who is a muslim, he lives in lebanon, and he'd never hurt a fly.

    Besides, I'm entitled to my view that religion is wrong and is counterproduct to society, as much as muslims are entitled to their view that everyone is born a muslim, and that non-muslims are infidels.

    Its in the quran/koran buddy. Summarised:

    "Disbelievers will be burned with fire." Cow 2:39, 2:90

    "Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. "The table spread 5:51

    "Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah." 8:59-60

    "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, The Women 4:34

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html

    Have I ever said anything racist like this? Hmmm, who is the racist now? Who has the extremist intolerance beliefs now? You go to that website buddy, and read real passages from the quran, and then tell me who is racism, intolerant etc. All I've done is complain about intolerance, the killing and stoning of women etc, and you assume i'm racist.

    If you heard all of my criticisms of christianity, you wouldn't say i was being racist just for criticising islam, because i criticise christianity even more - fucks sake i have to deal with more christians in my own society.
    - but all you have seen of course, is my criticism of islam, and so you've wrongly assumed i'm racist.

    Yeah I'm a secular humanist - know what that means?
    I believe in evolution and I think make believe gods are silly. Violence in the name of imaginary gods is even worse. That includes george bush and iraq.
     
  14. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    Pfft, I complain about human rights abuses in the name of America's desire to:
    1.) Get revenge on muslims for september 11, (none of the supposed hijackers were iraqi, some of the 19 are still alive!)
    2.) Steal Iraq's Oil.
    3.) Carry out a christian crusade.

    I question the official story of 9/11, I claim the vietnam war was a horrible wrongful war, I call george bush a retarded christian, and thats a complement to retarded people.
    And I support movies like "fahrenheit 9/11" and "loose change". (Seen them both? You should.)

    I complain about the American deployment of plastic cluster bombs (landmines) in afghanistan. Do you even know anything about that PHP? They explode when people touch them but the x-ray machines don't pick up the pieces in side them because they are fucking plastic not metal!!

    I complain about the American use of DEPLETED URANIUM TWICE in Iraq, and the birth defects they've caused. Do you you know about the use of DU, PHP??

    I know for a fact that the WMD LIE was a deliberate lie, not just a mistake. (see Fahrenheit 9/11)

    hmm. seems i'm not so ignorant after all.

    And what do people think/say? "oh he's one of those young left wing anti-war guys" - and depending on whether or not they are christian idiots they go "ok cool".


    The topics I've mentioned in these last 2 posts I have researched for hours and hours EACH. I suggest you do to, if you value your own opinion.

    BUT! Dare I criticise the human rights abuses carried out in islamic countries, carried out in the name of islam, and what am I? A "racist".
    Go figure.
     
  15. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    muslim likes old men on viagra thats why he is horny
     
  16. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Some tribal people do this, however when the government and people find out there is usually prosecution. Women are not killed for refusing to marry, or being raped. Usually it is because of adultery or fornication, also the same thing ahappens in other countries like America. How many husbands kill their wives which they suspect to be guilty of adultery.

    Do not blame the religion, because the religion isn't to blame. Blame the poor illiterate people in a few isolated tribal areas, not even a whole country.

    You dishonor a 'friend' in which you show such horrible views to his culture and religion. What kind of one-sided friendship do you have?

    We don't believe in the concept of infidel, it is a western word, we call them disbelievers (kaffir), nothing more nothing less.

    Yes, and Allah swt will forgive who He wills. In the hadith it says, a prostitute was forgiven and admitted into paradise because she gave water to a thirsty dog. Those who know of Islam and reject it knowing of it fully will be punished, those who don't have complete knowledge of Islam and do not defame Muslims will be subject to same punishment, and may be forgiven by Allah swt 's will

    the word is do not take them as awliya, protectors, those who have the right to order your affairs

    In war, those who fight Muslims. Allah swt also says He does that 'those who are good among the jews christians pagans will get their reward from Allah.'

    you did quote the whole verse, it says men have more power in the society over the women are are caretakers of women. this is the traditional role of women in society, but islam allows women to own property, divorce, engage in business, work, even fight in war.

    a bible website is not the best place to get information on islam

    If you go to a christian website meant to evangelize people and hate islam. instead go to answering-christianity.org or islamicity.com.

    Most people who are against Muslims today are fuelled by racism. Some honest people argue with Islam on an intellectual level and you can tell when they do. You were the one who started criticizing Islam, just because the poster of this thread was a muslim. This type of argument is being discussed in the religion thread.

    Why do people always believe they have to defame Muslims and put them on defense even when they simply try to talk about their personal lives?

    I think you owe Muslim an apology.

    Peace.
     
  17. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    typo

    Those who know of Islam and reject it knowing of it fully will be punished, those who don't have complete knowledge of Islam and do not defame Muslims will not be subject to same punishment, and may be forgiven by Allah swt 's will
     
  18. PHPlatonica Im over myself now... Registered Senior Member

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    Huwy. ... Fuck huwy.

    I did research it. I read what you were saying to an innocent question by Muslim, in HIS thread no less. Just here, this closed in window. And you were so mean! I forget that psychologists are "human" too... the thing is, did it ever occur to you that you hurt his feelings? He is just one. Slamming on him for his belief was not right. You should have just avoided the thread. you should have shook it off. Instead you went crazy with your anger about Muslims! he asked a very personal question... I thought you could step away from your ideologies to at least SEE that. Instead, instead you were Cruel. and you insulted the WHOLE.... This wasn't a thread that said "I am Muslim, and I wish you were all Dead because you don't believe my way"... He was looking for HELP. And you YOU over looked HIM as a PERSON. Can't you SEE that you did that? THAT is what was so PATHETIC and despicable. Were you afraid he would Preach his ways in this thread?

    What I am saying.. is what you did was as similar as running into his house and yelling at him for his religion. He wasn't harming any one here, in this thread. your being a Psychologist I am appalled that you would look at your disgust with a religion, and hound ONE soul, and not the whole. THAT, huwy, is what I am saying. What you did by doing THAT, was NO better then what a racist does to a single person in their own home because of their race. PERIOD.

    Maybe he should have just asked other Muslims about this. But can't you SEE he is just one person? Just one child/kid.. young man trying to live in a world with all this hatred. And DOING the best he knows how to. And you belittled him.. you belittled him with what you said about his faith. All you did in this, was reassure him that WE ARE PIGS.
    You couldn't put your sign down long enough to feel for another person. That is NOT humanist. TIME and PLACE for things. Nothing more.
     
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    I love how this thread as completely changed course. Does anyone remember that it started off as a way to end Muslim's horniness? As an answer, I'd just wank it (masturbate). It's the only way. When you think about it, it's not really sinful either. But hey, who am I to rule your beliefs?
     
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    "A god ignored is a demon born! That which is denied gains in power and seeks strange and unexpected forms of manifestation.
    Deny sex and bizarre forms of it's expression will torment you!
    Deny love, and absurd sentimentalities will disable you.
    Deny honest fear and desire only to create senseless neuroticism and avarice.
    Deny laughter and the world laughs at you.
    Deny magic only to become a confused robot, inexplicable even unto yourself!" - Liber Kaos, The Psychonomicon, Peter Carroll
     
  21. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    I only skimmed, but I haven't read anyone suggest masturbation. It seriously is the best thing you can do if you can't fuck a girl/guy, Muslim. That is, except for castration.

    Either jack it off or cut it off.
     
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    That's because in the original post he specifically excluded sex and masterbation as remedies for hornyness. Still, I agree with your solution.
     
  23. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Oh yeah huh. I forgot about that by the time I responded.

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