Fasting while Driving large trucks of dangerous goods & School Busses

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by RainbowSingularity, May 24, 2018.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    is that ok ?
    Fasting while driving school busses
    is that ok ?

    "Fasting while at work" is a self admission of deliberately going without food.
    This Deliberate act probably voides your insurance & puts you on the wrong side of Occupational Health & Safety.

    should "Fasting" while at work be legally defined ?

    is it any different to knowingly going without sleep ?

    how would you feel if your pilot made an annoucement just prior to landing saying she was fasting, but feeling ok and to buckle up.

    (im pro fasting as a practice of general health[non religious, i think fasting on a regular basis helps rid your body of toxins as long as it is done correctly] in managed time frames that does not put other peoples lifes at risk or make you a danger to others in the work place)
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Have you smelled a School Bus?
    Having an empty stomach is probably a safety protocol.
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Probably about the same as if she had made an announcement that she was pregnant, but feeling fine so buckle up. (Or a bit tired, or thirsty, or getting over a cold - although I'm not sure why she would say any of those things.)
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    to be compliant with safety regulations.
    the knowledge of the passengers knowing someone is non complaint Vs compliant.

    the passengers have a legal right to know if the pilot is complaint or non compliant.

    you likening fasting to pregnancy as your emotional disposition to capable evaluation is interesting.
    it raises an interesting question around duty of care for employees of pregnant pilots. (since you have raised the issue).

    though... your leaning toward changing the topic to make it some type of gender equality debate which is removed from legal complaince for saftey regulations and insurance is interetsing.
    you may wish to state which country laws you are using as gender equality laws vary wildly between different countrys.

    however, safety regulations around complaince via self disclosure is shared equally around international regulations.

    obviousely having a real debate where folks may check their personal baggage at the door is quite difficult.
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Fasting is often reported to increase alertness, at least under some circumstances. Regular 12 hour intervals of fast have been reported to have many benefits (no food after 6PM, for example, on a typical US routine.).
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Yes, they do. And since the FAR's do not prohibit flying while fasting (or while pregnant, or while tired etc) they are compliant.
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Um. Talking about pregnancy does not make it a gender issue.
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i dissagree
    unles men also get pregnant then pregnancy is specifically an issue purely relating to women.
    lack of the acceptance of that will only deliver a lack of action to accomadate that in women.
    employment laws that control how companies treat their employees are very specific, mostly.
    thus refusal to accomadate any need purely relatig to pregnant women in the work place is clearly not discrimination.
    thus designing a work place that specifically denies pregnant women from working(in a disinsentive motivator) is purely legal.
    like for instance placing bathrooms a long way away from the working area.
    lack of appropriate cleaning and proper stocking of kitchens and bathrooms.

    while the apparent issue may be able to be passed off as gender preferance toward men as being "not as fussy".
    having a clean work place where bathroom & kitchen facilaties are readily availible and clean pertain as a majority toward women and more so toward social generality toward preferance for pregnant women as an emotional atmospheric absolute.

    thus the flip side
    should women who claim to need to use the barthroom more than men(pilots for instance where a saftey issue may be generically attributed to on a non personal metaphor for legal manipulation) on the grounds of being pregnant be sacked under lack of equalty to comply with the employment conditions ?
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i think you will find that if a person turns up for work in a listed dangerous accreditation with a passenger transport license and reports feeling tired, they are by self admission non compliant.

    if asked by their duty manager "do you feel tired?" and they reply "yes" they are non complaint as it clearly states in insurance contracts and in safety terms and conditions signed in to employment contracts and operating permits, that
    "if you feel tired" you must notify your manager and seek to remedy the risk factor.

    soo, you may as well join the flat earth beleivers with that statement.
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    He could have used any example to make the point.

    If he had said
    "... as if she had made an announcement that she was Diabetic" would you claim he's making this a "Diabetes issue"?
    "... as if she had made an announcement that she was an amputee" would you claim he's making this a "disabled issue"?
    "... as if she had made an announcement that she was only 29 years old" would you claim he's making this an "age issue"?
    "... as if she had made an announcement that she was overweight" would you claim he's making this an "weight issue"?

    No, a specific example doesn't reduce the scope of the point. It is one of many similar examples.

    He is simply saying that there are lots of things that people think might reduce functionality of a person, but they would be wrong.
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i dissagree

    using any example like them being a terrorist does not fit.
    the example used is important.

    for instance a driver/pilot
    whom has fraudulently obtained a license, if they are a safe operator does that make them compliant ?
    when you use the word compliant before or after something, equally as a 'type' of example, it makes a huge difference.
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member


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    Any valid or similar example.

    At the risk of speaking on Billvon's behalf, I identified what I think the category of valid examples is:
    "a condition that people think might compromise someone's ability to operate machinery, but doesn't, if managed properly".

    Fasting, pregnant, diabetic, amputee, age, weight are all examples that elicit prejudice from any armchair physician that thinks they can judge how well other people can perform.

    Every human on the planet is at-risk of under-performing if they don't manage their health responsibly (anyone can get hungry, catch a cold, get too little sleep, etc). Just because you can identify a person's unique health situation does not mean you can assume that they are not managing the health as well as any other person.
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nope. At least, not in the US.
    Are you a pilot?
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i agree with you, mostly.
    often prejudice in the work place is a complex issue because of the validation of the consumers expectation of appearances.
    when that is companioned by bottom up profit to cost micro management the employee is liable to be lost between the consumers media presentation and the companys drive to maintain ticked boxes and company image.
    modern 1st world countrys are lucky enough to afford most people equal rights.
    if there were no over sight for regulation then discrimination would be institutionalised into corporate models of behaviour norms as a social driver.

    a good example crossed my mind.
    using 2 of the most inflamitory subjects
    driving drunk
    flying passenger planes
    were a pilot feeling drunk yet had checked their own breath alcahol level and seen it to be under the limit(is the limit 0?)
    is the official corporate and social expectation to be self regulating ?
    is the employee(in this case a commercial pilot) liable to self regulation in spite of being inside generic interpretations of the law ?

    thus "interpretations" being the nature of the word "fasting".

    a young person whom has little expereince with how their mind and body copes seeking to "fast" and having low blood suger etc... presenting a risk that can be outlined for regulatory safety ?
    i recal some middle eastern government has put out public guides for safe fasting for islamic people.

    thus the issue posed recently by a european official around if "fasting" is a liability in the work place.
    it opens up the debate between the ill-informed ignorant young person and the well informed diet conscious person.

    how do you deliver equal protection in the work place for employees and the public ?
    i would suggest that only through regulation to ensure the message is clearly outlined and information is delivered.
    no different to legal terms and conditions.
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    .. and though difficult and riddled with miss information and mercinary consumerism, i firmly beleive fasting is good for health.
    it helps detox the body and allows the liver and kidneys and stomach to flush toxins and balance stomach flora
    ...if done properly and safely.

    i know some people who do fasting using methaphetamine with extreme aerobic exercise.
    they know how to manage their hydration, they know their mind and body, and they do not mix different drugs.
    is it dangerous ? yes to idiots it is.
    do i do it myself ? no.
    should it be illegal ? insert moralistic religous propoganda and power & control identity politics...
    is it addictive ? yes. to those whom suffer from addictive personalitys and other such life issues that drive addiction.
    should such a practice be publicly advertised ? probably not.

    as i metioned above somewhat more tersely, having a scientific discussion about such topics is extremely difficult.

    i feel the need to advise anyone thinking of trying to fast using drugs, or taking such drugs and then exercising..
    what happens is 1 of 2 things

    1. you do not hydrate yourself enough then pass out and go unconscious and your brain gets starved of water and your brain starts to die.

    you get perminent brain damage and can wind up dead, or a vegetable.

    2. you over hydrate and your body organs shut down and you die.

    if you mix alcahol with speeds then you increase all those risks.

    if you use such drugs to cope with emotional problems, you vastly increase the above risks.

    if it is illegal in your country, your breaking the law.
    Last edited: May 29, 2018

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