Farmer and Lazy Pig. Tribute to The Great Einstein

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  1. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    The farmer raised a very fat lazy pig. In order to make the pig lose weight, the farmer thought of a way. He put the pig on roller skates, tied a gong to its butt, and shot the gong continuously with a gun. When the pig hears the sound of the bullet hitting the gong, it will speed up and run, and when the sound disappears, the pig will glide at a constant speed on the smooth ice surface again. The pig keeps speeding up and running, and finally when its speed is equal to the bullet, the bullet can no longer hit the gong, and the pig no longer accelerates, it will keep sliding at the same speed as the bullet. Because of his own efforts, farmer's bullet can't catch up to its ass, so pig is very proud and continues to enjoy its laziness.

    Einstein came up with the great SRT, SRT tells us that the faster an object goes, the more mass it becomes, and that no object can go faster than the speed of light.

    So scientists designed such an experiment to continuously accelerate a charged particle in an electric field. They wanted to know whether the particle could eventually surpass the speed of light. Experiments show that no matter how long the particles are accelerated by the electric field, the speed of the particles cannot reach the speed of light, thus once again verifying Einstein's great SRT.

    Lazy Pig heard about this particle experiment, and it felt that something was wrong. Obviously, when the speed of the particle is close to the speed of the electric field, the acceleration of the electric field on the particle will become very small. When the speed of the particle is equal to the speed of the electric field, the particle will no longer be accelerate. This should be the same as the bullet chasing its ass, the pig fell into thinking. Didn't the pig save the ass, but Einstein saved the it’s ass? The pig also began to worry that because of his running, his mass would become larger and become a fatter pig.

    Scientists in Europe had heard of the pigs' distress and began to worry that their experiments would bring disaster to the planet. Because the great Einstein told them that when the speed of an object approaches the speed of light, the mass of the particle will approach infinity. According to the kinetic energy equation E = 0.5mv^2, this particle will have a very terrifying kinetic energy, once the particle hits the earth, the earth will be destroyed. The more scientists think about it, the more afraid they become.

    One day, Chinese scientists also wanted to design a particle acceleration experiment, but this great plan was stopped by Professor ZN, a scientist from the United States. Professor ZN knew that this would be a disaster, so he stopped this dangerous experiment in China.

    Finally, the pig knew the scientist's concern, and he took a deep breath and said, "Fortunately, the bullet is not fast enough, otherwise its butt will destroy the earth."

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  3. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    hahahah funny story.This is logical as well as rationale.Thank you for your invitation

    Dear Tony Yuan,
    I love the pig story!
    It pokes a bit of fun at what I believe to have been a fat foolishness!

    Thank you for the laugh from the "Farmer and Lazy pig" and Tribute to great Einstein. Besides the fun and laughter there is a very profound point you have made regarding Einstein's STR. The relativisitc mass approaching infinity as v approaches C. Despite the most powerful accelerators where particles can reach speeds greater than 99.99999% of C but not equal to C, no one has seen the supposed increase in the mass of the particles!! no one has seen an electron, or a positron achieve a relativistic mass that approached a meson or a proton respectively. for some reason they appear to maintain their rest mass or perhaps have an insignificant increase compared to the rest mass that is not noticeable? Certainly, something strange is happening here! from the relativistic kinetic energy equation, E(K) = M(v)c^2 - M(0)c^2 we need to choose either, 1) the particles always have rest mass irrespective of V and that there is no such thing as relativistic mass (which means no conversion of energy into matter) or 2) that the there is a limit to the amount of energy that can convert into matter. this is similar to the 2nd law of thermodynamics relating conversion of heat to work. there is a limit to how much heat can convert into work. In either case the relativistic mass of SRT becomes invalid.

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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A few errors:

    There is no "speed" of a static electric field.

    There is of course a propagation of a changing electric field. That always proceeds at the speed of light. But if you are accelerating a charged particle in a static electric field, that does not apply.

    The particle will never, never, ever produce more energy than you inject into the particle. If you have enough energy to destroy the earth, then accelerating the particle could eventually destroy the earth. But since those scientists in Europe knew they did NOT have enough energy to destroy the Earth, they were not worried.
     
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  7. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    How do you distinguish between moving and not moving, how do you know that the electric field is moving, how do you know that it is not moving? Where is your frame of reference? Your answer represents a misconception of many SRT proponents.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you understand what an electric field is? A static electric field does not move. It is not like EM radiation. It cannot "catch up" to the particle because it has no speed.

    It's like thinking if you go fast enough gravity does not affect you.
    The particle.
     
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  9. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    It appears that the particles determine the motion of the electric field. Don't you think you're joking?
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.

    I'd recommend some basic electrostatics and electrodynamics if you are having trouble understanding this. You are using the classic argument from incredulity - "I do not understand this very well, therefore everyone else is wrong."
     
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  11. Ssssssss Registered Senior Member

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    Ah the good old argument from bad analogy. In case A the result is X therefore in case B the result must also be X even though you never show that A and B are actually analogous. Even the creationists look ashamed when they use that one. Why do you think an electric field behaves like a bullet? Because you need to prove that an electric field is a one way stream of bullets for your story to be analogous to a particle accelerating in an electric field and you can't do that.

    And by the by kinetic energy is not \(\frac{1}{2}mv^2\) it is \(\gamma mc^2\) which is only approximately equal to the Newtonian formula at low speeds and billvon's criticism that you can't get more energy out of the particle than you put in is completely correct. So you can't destroy the Earth with one particle unless you could do it with your power station so either your professor is an idiot or you are misrepresenting his concerns. Since you haven't specified what experiment you were talking about or provided a link to the actual claims the professor made it's difficult to tell but given your usual level of competence I'd guess you've misunderstood his concerns.
    And who is the idiot you're quoting here? Whoever it is they don't seem to understand the difference between relativistic mass and rest mass and are therefore totally confused in their criticisms which is one of the reasons that only idiots use relativistic mass. Everybody else gave up on the concept decades ago since it's just total energy with a stupid name.
    Motion is not a thing electric fields have or don't have. You can talk about the propagation of changes in electric fields but you seem to be talking about an unchanging field which doesn't have any changes to propagate.
     
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  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    U saying scientists violate the Earth like shoving a shotgun up a pig's ass?
     
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  14. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    hahahahahahahaha, Einstein would think so, so it scares him.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    How would Einstein, as a scientist, know this?

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  16. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    O MY GOD. SEE U.
     
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  18. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Lies can never cover up the truth.

    Tony,
    This is very funny. Did you think up this yourself?
    Rick
    My reply:
    Yes.

    Funny story but true. You have a good idea.
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  19. Ssssssss Registered Senior Member

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    Yup. Neither can utter not even wrong nonsense which is why your nonsense never gains any traction with anybody who knows what they're talking about.

    Anyway you're clearly not even pretending to do science now and you've started talking like a conspiracy nutter now which is useful to know I suppose.
     
  20. Neddy Bate Valued Senior Member

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    Major crank. Probably resurfaced because of Motor Daddy's temporary resurrection. Sad.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Tony:

    Are you letting somebody else post using your user name?

    You should tell them to stop, because they are making you look like an idiot.
     
  22. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    One thing about the story:
    If the pig is able to continue on its way at the same speed until it hears the gong, there must be zero friction between pig and surface. E.g. in space.
    If there is zero friction, how can the pig accelerate? The bullet hitting the gong will impart a small change in momentum, sure, but the pig itself will simply be moving its legs but not actually getting any faster.
    A small point, but, hey, if you're going to shoot a gong on a pig's ass then at least do so accurately!

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  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Presumably the pig is inexhaustibly flatulent or something. Like our poster, in fact.

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