Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by btimsah, Apr 11, 2005.
So there was no progress in USA since
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I may not be as thoughtful as U but I can see Mr.
There is a small lighted slight bump (may be hill) just behind the Alien spacecraft and its partly behind the craft. And in the pictures with the craft the bump is clearly visible , that confirms that the Angle of photography is exactly the same. How can you not get sleepless night after looking at thoes pictures. I mean thoes who say that its an American craft in the picture also say that hence thats not a moon mission but an hollywood one, That gives me sleepless nights; Do U know why ?
That because that leaves me with an option of being the First Man on Moon.
I will be the first man to land on moon, hurray
Of course there was! But not in the specific problems involved in landing people on the moon.
So you say that the bump wouldn't be visible from any other angle? What about a difference of (say) 1 degree?
A degree fo difference is not enough to hide the craft in the other photo at such a visible with of distance
I believe my answer is the correct one; the picture without the LEM is taken with the LEM behind the photographer; one indication of this is the disturbed regolith in the foreground of the LEM-less picture. This is caused by the exhaust of the ship as it landed.
Those mountains do not look very far away but they are- remember this is a different world. Because they are in a near vacuum they are pin sharp; they look like they are a few hundred meters away but they are kilometers away; moving back behind the LEM a few tens of meters does not affect the appearance of the hills noticeably.
The appearance of the environment on an alien world would often be strange and counterintuitive; that is part of the fun...
I remain sceptical :bugeye:
But it is!
You are making unfounded assumptions about the distance from the lander to the mountains.
I think you are both right, NASA should sue FOX television for making such a program.
I saw the pictures this time from angular point of view and the mountains on the right side of the pictures look very different as if they are taken from another distance.
But NASA is stupid It should create a Website to disprove all their claims. Its NASA fundings that may suffer, NASA dosent have time to chase these rumors but that may destroy them.
AND yes, ABOUT the stars invisibility arguments, I want thoes who question this to show me a SPACE WALK photograph in which stars can be seen, moon is much more brighter than space walker. OR are they goan say all that is fake too ? They almost brain washed me.
I hate all this , If It was a HOAX I will go down and find it. But its more than that insulting to discredit thoes achivements of which entire human race is proud of.
Than don't discredit other achievements made along the way by stating there has been no progress in USA since the moon landings. Why have there been no other manned trips to the Moon? Three words: politics and money. And lets not forget all the dumbasses out there that would rather believe the landings were faked than help fund a trip to go back.
I wont, but then who is responsible for my brain wash. Who is paying the price of it ? who is siffering out of this ? U cant blame me for someone brain washed me. U got to sue them, or your integrety will be in question, for being afraid that skeletons will come out. Sue for defameation
HEY BTW it was I who told U about the validity of missing stars, U stupid brainless AMERICANs.
It was Your TV that had brainwashed me, U smartass.
Here's the Apollo Lunar Surface Journals explanation of this image. Like you guys, and maybe even me, they believe the yellow blob is the flag. I'm still not 100% sure but there is apperently a more interesting blue anomaly at the top. If you enjoy these kinds of hunts they provide some interesting images below;
AS11-40-5903 (OF300) ( 1174k or 258k )
110:42:14 Neil has moved to the MESA. No other Apollo photograph has been reproduced as often as this portrait of Buzz. Neil is, of course, visible in reflection on Buzz's visor. Buzz has his left arm raised and is probably reading the checklist sewn on the wrist cover of his glove, which is shown in a detail. He is moving his right foot forward, as can be seen by the mound of dirt building up in front of the toe of that boot. Note the dirt adhering to Buzz's boots and knees. Otherwise, he is remarkably clean. The "Red Apple", which he would grab and pull to open his purge valve in the event of a suit leak or a PLSS failure, is located roughly over his navel. From our perspective, the purge valve is installed in the connector to the left of the "Red Apple". Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
Journal Contributor Markus Mehring has produced a rectified close-up of Neil's reflection in Buzz's visor. "I scanned the best and largest print I had available, removed the roughly 5 degree tilt that the original has in relation to the horizon, mirrored it, adjusted color in order to somewhat get rid of the golden tint of the visor, and reprojected it flat in order to kill as much spherical appearance as tolerable - hence the smear on the edges, which is impossible to avoid."
In March 2005, Journal Contributor Eric Nelson digitally removed the gold color of Buzz's visor ( 321k and revealed an unmistakably blue reflection of Earth. Nelson writes, " I eliminated most all of the gold visor tint, leaving a spot that wasn't white and so suggested itself as a film artifact rather than a piece of dust. On scanned slide film, dust would be black anyway, unless it might be some small translucent particle. I get the feeling the AS-11 master film scanning was done with some attention to cleanliness though, which should exclude any foreign objects of that size on the image. It is possible to verify whether any wanted or unwanted tint remains in neutrals in an image by temporarily saturating them heavily; I did that to the Spot toward 100% increase, and it turned Earth-Blue. I similarly saturated the gold-subtracted lunar surface reflections, and the open sunlit surface remained neutral while the surface in the influence of reflection from the LM turned gold: this suggests the gold subtraction was accurate and revealed a valid neutral image. This suggests the gold-subtracted spot did have a blue component...and I hope I don't take too much artistic license in exaggerating it to produce a psycho-visual link!"
Kipp Teague writes "I returned to the original June 2004 JSC scan of AS11-40-5903, cropped to Aldrin's visor, flipped and slightly rotated the image and took a stab at adjusting color to offset the gold in the visor. The linked image ( 109k ) represents the original scanning resolution. I don't see a BRIGHT blue object in the sky, but indeed, whatever is there is bluish in color, and more importantly, it is NOT single-pixel scanner noise as I can see elsewhere in the scan. Even better, when you enlarge this, you can see that the object generally matches in shape the Earth as viewed over the LM in AS11-40-5924. In addition to investigations of the intrinsic characteristics of the Spot, it is necessary to verify that geometric factors are all correct. A check of Starry Night shows that, at 0414 UT on 21 July 1969, Earth was 59.5 degrees above the western Tranquility horizon at an azimuth of 270.6. The sun was 14.3 degrees above eastern horizon at an azimuth of about 88.1 degrees. Consequently, an image of Earth, if any, would be near the line of Buzz's shadow at a place on the visor where a vertical tangent to the visor surface is tilted back about 30 degrees. A labeled detail from AS11-40-5875 ( 74k ) shows that this condition is met near the top of the visor.
Sharp-eyed readers will have noticed that the analysis is not yet complete. With Earth slightly north of west and the Sun lightly north of east, the reflected image of Earth should be on the opposite side of the reflected image of Buzz's shadow from the reflected LM. Nelson has produced a rectified detail ( 192k ) in which "I re-projected the visor image to flatten the horizon (effectively killing barrel distortion), rotated the horizon to level, and then horizontally skewed the image to parallel and square-to-vertical the LM descent stage sides. Finally I mirrored it to produce a normal view to the west. Some distortions remain, which suggests the visor isn't spherical, so that could explain sundry slight geometric inconsistencies in the rough analysis.". The rectified image shows the tentative Earth 'image' tantilizingly close to the line of Buzz's shadow, but on the wrong side. It is tempting to think that consideration of the actual figure of the gold visor will move the 'image' to the other side of the line of Buzz's shadow, but the necessary analysis is yet to be done.
so, wheres the shadow for the flag? I cant see any sign of it. That flag looks wholly out of place in that picture anyways.
I've tried to work out a map of the location to prove that it is indeed the flag (which I think was VERY obvious to begin with, only Art Bell and btimsah would argue so heavily for it not being the flag).
I can't say it's perfect, but close enough I think to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's there, look again, the largest part of the shadow (the actual flags shadow) will be offset form where u might think due to the flag being on a flagpole. Look at the flag, then look down the flag pole and look for the black spot...that is the shadow.
The flag does not look out of place, you're being misscued by the perspective.
Pete was kind enough to post in the FIRST page of this thread with a detailed explaination/picture showing the various parts of the flag and it's shadow.
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I'ts obvious from these two photos that one has the lander BEHIND the photographer and in the other the photographer is BEHIND the lander....open your eyes.
oh well, it wasnt from this image that i was talking about. I shouldve been more specific. It was from the image that... well shit.. let me go back and find it..
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