Famous scientists and electronic voice phenomena

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  3. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that tesla just found out alot of what was already known and kept secret. All that energy stuff knowledge is important probably to controlling the masses, and maybe they knew about that stuff along time ago.

    But tesla just brought out what was just hidden.

    I totally believe 100 years back humans where into contacting or channelling, but the rumours where that tesla tried to use techs to do it.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Certainly! But not ALL of it. Many here could list dozens of "occult or supernatural" beliefs that will mostly like remain pure hogwash forever.
     
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    Yeah, yeah - we know. "Hidden knowledge", secret underground bases throughout the world, mind control, the government's destruction of your life, etc., etc., etc.

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  8. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    This topic is all old news as far as I am concerned, and view Nikola Tesla as one of the greatest scientists who ever lived.

    Walter Russell Wrote about a meeting with Nikola Tesla in his book "Atomic Suicide"

    Since I feel confident that some psychic phenomenon does occur, I have spent years looking for scientific explanations outside the conventional box so have looked into some of these ideas.

    @ OP,
    If you look at Walter Russell, you may find some ideas worth considering. He certainly has a large following who support his work.

    In 1963, Walter Cronkite in the national television evening news, commenting on Russell's death, referred to him as "... the Leonardo da Vinci of our time."

    Walter Russell could have prevented the second world war if people listened to him. READ THIS FOREWORD:

    If you look back at one of the most ancient cultures known to man (Sumerians), they had advanced math, literature, astronomy knowledge, a Fair Justice System, Schools, art, and seemed very much like us in many ways, although they were less technologically advanced. They also had a Unifying Theory in Physics based on Sound and Octaves like Walter Russell discusses, which is surprising because if you look at some of the teachings of Walter Russell you would get the same feel about Cosmology and our Universe.

    NOTE: The main reason Walter Russell is immediately written off as a pseudoscientist is he includes the concept of god into his work. It is hard to read a page of his work without reading God this or God that, but he does have some interesting views.

    Einstein wrote off the Aether with his Theory of Relativity, but he also adopted a New Aether although it would be rare to hear him call it that, and Walter Russels views encompass much of what we should expect to see in the Aether world.

    I could spend hours just discussing Walter Russell, but he believed in freely distributing his knowledge, and all of his books can be found for free on the internet.

    Like this one.

    http://abundanthope.net/artman2/uploads/1/The_New_Concept.pdf

    It contains science/pseudoscience like:
    If you get past all the God talk, he is an interesting guy.
    NOTE: I also believe in god, but it is even a lot for me.

    If nothing else it makes people think....

    He has many books with many pages of interesting work, and I think any scientist should at least look at this work.

    I think there is something fundamental we are missing that ancient cultures seemed to grasp, and when we solve it we will understand a lot more about Coral Castle and the secrets of the pyramids, etc.

    I hope this enough to make you look into this yourself.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCHOBxN-wU
    [video=youtube;WvCHOBxN-wU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCHOBxN-wU[/video]


    Nikola Tesla and Walter Russell were good friends, and Walter Russell once wrote...

    "Nikola Tesla was an Artist at heart whom the world viewed as a scientist, while I have science at heart and am viewed as an Artist"

    Walter Russell Deserves his own thread here if only for a few who keep open minds. His scientific legacy was great even if clouded with his strong belief in god.

    Walter Russell does not believe that light from the sun has ever left the sun, but is reproduced along the way.

    Cheers.
     
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  9. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    You think there's a reason to keep perpetuating incorrect ideas?
     
  10. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    @ AlexG,
    I like some of the ideas he gives over some of the ideas currently accepted by science.

    I do not expect any here to have experience with psychic phenomenon, but I have witnessed events that seem convincing enough to me that I could never doubt its possibility. I do not wish to turn this into a debate on that and my opinions on this matter are likely well known to many here.

    Walter Russell has Charted and predicted the existence of elements that have been discovered, and which have yet to be.

    He also predicted and discovered other elements. He was a scientist who was ahead of his time, and likely still is in some regards.

    His Version of the Periodic table was an early construct of which their were many.

    Much of what he taught is not in conflict with what we know but seems to be a deeper version of things.

    If we leave god out of it. What specific idea of his do you object to? There are many I can see people choosing there, but I am curious to see if you have even looked at any before writing them off.

    Walter Russell left a lot of interesting work, and I hope you live long enough to accept that some of it will be proven true by his large following.

    I think our understanding of the Universe is amazing, but I also think it is arrogant to think that we know it all already. Einsteins Theory of Relativity is not the Grand Unifying Theory he hoped it would be and leaves many questions unanswered. Walter Russell fills in these holes with his theories and does not undermine the work of Einstein, but compliments it. Einstein hints at a new Aether, but Walter Russell defines it.

    We also see reactions with electricity and feel we know all about it,

    watch this and see a brief portion of his magnetism in electricity.

    [video=youtube;LVRxC7U_2kQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LVRxC7U_2kQ[/video]

    I understand you are on Auto-skeptic, similar to auto-pilot, but looking at various viewpoints is key to understanding the truth.

    Even if you did find find fault with some of his thinking, you would likely learn more in the process.

    A lot of his work is at the sub atomic level, where new ideas and thinking are still welcomed.

    His Unifying Theory would require a lot of hard work and understanding to refute, especially as much of it is within framework even Einstein has put down on paper. I think if Einstein and Walter Russell had sat down together and wrote a Unified Theory together it would have been much more in depth.


    Look at video below (unless your mind is too hard set in skepticism to even look at other ideas).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WjSC99ih9Y
    [video=youtube;-WjSC99ih9Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WjSC99ih9Y[/video]

    So he uses god a lot. This was the main reason he has been ignored by many. His ideas are at the very least profound.

    @ AlexG (continued)

    The OP of this thread specifically stated/quoted,

    I have at least added to this topic by showing that Nikola Teslas friend Walter Russell has already put forth some idea that ...
    [video=youtube;abOwl9lqfRI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOwl9lqfRI&list=PLMRRYtEF3DgaOUHNDtT1vjZePCsY9rDGd&index=13[/video]

    If you wish to refute or condemn Walter Russell, at least make arguments against specific themes, and not an overall generalization as those are low blows and cannot be defended except by noting your closed minds, and making fun of the limited viewpoints some must endure.

    Walter Russell has explained everything in the entire universe in a manner that has attracted many geniuses, and with examples hard to argue against. I welcome debating any of his ideas (except religion as that is pointless here). You can pick from hundreds of topics in his Theories..


    Wikipedia.....
    So he was a great scientist no matter if you find errors or not. It is like saying Einstein does not deserve a thread because he made a few mistakes and got kicked out of Math Class.

    His Unified Theory seems to be getting more attention and seems to bear the brunt of criticism's. So go ahead.. Have a look and then ridicule it, but don't just ridicule that which you know nothing about.

    P.S. He also did world famous Sculptures like this Mark Twain Memorial, and was a talented musician.

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    Walter Cronkite - "The Leonard Da Vinci of our time"

    I'd say he deserves a thread and just a bit more respect.
     
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  11. Lakon Valued Senior Member

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    Walter Russell sounds fascinating. I've never heard of him before, but have dowloaded the book you linked in post #5 and will start reading it. Is that a good place to start concerning him ?

    BTW, the title is remarkably similar to 'A New Model Of The Universe' by Ouspensky. Have you read Ouspensky at all ? I find him one of the best, although he is light on science and heavy on philosophy / mysticism - still deep probing stuff.

    If you haven't read him, you would do well to read the aforementioned, but first, his 'Tertium Organum'.
     
  12. Lakon Valued Senior Member

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    To the OP .. I'm going to read the link you gave in your post #1, however, I'll say this before I do; I would be VERY surprised if Tesla said we could communicate electronically with the dead.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    According to the article Tesla thought the transmissions were from extraterrestrials on other planets. Perhaps only a hair slightly lower than dead people on the old official WooWoo meter.

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    @ Lakon,
    Yes. That book is a little less on the God overtones, but all of his work seems noteable.

    Also.. Who says future science will be electronic? Tesla was very nutty. He suffered from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which grew worse as he aged and died as a recluse. It is said that the FBI raided his Hotel Room Home after his demise and took whatever ideas may have been down on paper.
     
  15. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Shows you have no real understanding of anything beyond what your gov tells you.

    Look at what tesla found out and discovered, but somehow you call him crazy.

    Back then people all over the place where channelling, so tesla just took that and wanted to use techs to pick it up. Whats so crazy about that? If channelling was being used and it was, what would be crazy about thinking some sort of techs could pick up the same messages?

    People like tesla change this world, while the majority like you, do not.

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with the idea, that if channelling was being used 100 years ago, that techs could be used to pick up what channellers brains could.

    Shows you have no imagination. If tesla thought that, you can be sure govs thought of it too.
     
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    apparently this device works by employing a white noise generator, a series of audio oscillators, RF oscillator, a mixer, and a swept frequency receiver.
    the "recording" is taken by taking "snippets" of the swept frequency and depends on the listeners ability to recognize patterns in it.
    a block diagram of the device makes it clear how such a phenomenon can be achieved.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That would be the Spirit Box which is now popular among paranormal investigators. But evps extend to radio transmissions on regular radios and played back recordings of audio recorders. There's even a method of using the feedback of a video camera recording its view of its own video displayed on a TV monitor. Images are supposed to be captured by this means, but sometimes I think it is just the paradolia or matrixing of an overactive imagination.

    https://www.google.com/search?num=4...1451.2j7j1.10.0....0...1c.1.19.hp.GBvCKI5J3tc

    http://www.examiner.com/review/does-the-ghost-box-work
     
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  18. Lakon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you mean the Ouspensky book I referenced earlier ? If so, I agree. I am about to start reading Tertium Organum for the 3rd time, then I'll read his 'A New Model Of The Universe' again for the 3rd time too. I find him compulsive reading - very enjoyable and thought provoking, particularly in how he treats time, dimensios, etc.

    Not sure what you mean by this. Anyway, I have finished reading the Walter Russell book you referenced, and found it about as interesting as I do Ouspensky. Though I also found it confusing, but very worthy of a re-read.

    Don't know much about Tesla.

    NOTE - heavily edited, original post was accidently posted before completion
     

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