Extreme Atheism - leads to a Proxy God by default.

"So then the time times & half a time [sic] are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, recconing twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calender [sic] of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of [long-]lived kingdoms the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end 2060. It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner". Newton

This was your association to climate change!

So I ask again, that posted rant about the conquest of the three kings was Newton's proof of climate change? Where?

Answer the question or be quiet.

 

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OK. I might have been misinterpreting your intent in starting this thread. I was interpreting it in terms of metaphysics, in terms of philosophy's never-ending free-will/determinism argument. You are coming at it from the direction of ethics.

But I'm still inclined to agree with you. Determinist metaphysics does seem to present a huge challenge to the idea of ethical responsibility.

 

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slip slidin away........slip slidin away........

 

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Given what we know about climate change he might not be far off.
Who is the "we" in "we know"?

 

Very well put.

To claim the most treasured possession a human can have as an illusion, is extremism to the uhm... extreme.

 

But in a societal setting no one has free will, it is determined by the societal laws of behavior, which can differ starkly from location to location if I may add.
Criminal Laws are part of the deterministic consideration and were invented for that specific purpose to enforce (determine) ethical behavior, on penalty of punishment.

In a way the same principle applies when someone holds a gun to your head. Who's will are you going follow? You're not free to choose anymore are you?

Strangely other animals do not seem to have any problem with ethical behavior and they act purely deterministically, no? Is that not curious?

 

'cos answering your question removes or excuses the insult, attempts at ridicule, and your ignorance? See, you're simply not honest.

The fact that you want a yes/no answer shows your ignorance of the matter. Or your dishonesty. Or both.
And you can quote that.

 

You tell me, it is your question and they are your words. Again complete obfuscation.....tsk...tsk.....slip slidin away.

 

Maybe Sarkus or Bells or Trippy could have a go at answering that...

 

Dodge and duck

 

Your not fooling any one...

 

No, I insist you answer my question. Are you going to "slip slidin away" .... again?

 

With what? You're the one slip slidin away.....

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You know you are shrinking at every post, don't you?

 

Sure whatever u say....

 

I'm not done yet.....

You started it, I'll finish it.

 

Obviously..lol

 

Everyone has the will and determination to do what they want. If that were not true, then nothing would get accomplished. Of course, having the means to do whatever we want is another story altogether. Having the will and determination is not the same thing as having the means.

Newton was considered a heretic of his time, often referred to as a Nicodemite. And, while he believed God was gravity, he had no evidence of such a thing. But then, due to the Blasphemy Act of 1697, we'll never really know what he believed simply because it was against the law to say God had not created everything. You should really think about that one when you bring up Newton. Theists love to proclaim their free speech when it suits their agenda, but there was no such thing back then, yet somehow theists still bring up Newton to support their weak arguments.

The question I would then ask you is if Newton were alive today, free to speak his mind, would he still be a Christian? Or, if he understood what we now understand about the origins of our universe, would he even be a theist?

 

Zeus (god of clouds, rain, thunder and lightning) is no longer a "living" god.
Apocalypse (god of gravity) is no longer a "living" god.
Yahweh (god of volcanoes) is no longer a "living" god.
Thor (warrior god, protector of man) is no longer a "living" god.
All lesser gods are no longer "living" gods.

LORD (god of everything) is no longer a "living" god. Just like all other gods.

These were "proxy figments of the imagination" for otherwise unexplainable Universal phenomena.
Understandable approximate human translations by early "ignorant" people.

All "proxy" Gods have been replaced by scientific "universal" Potentials. And these potentials can be mathematically qualified and quantified into understandable scientific translations by modern "knowledgeable" people..

That is my "mundane" atheist testament..........

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